Mike Poyzer @ Onza
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Does that mean that ONZA are finally going to make wee bikes for wee kiddies?
Yes.
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About 1 week, Give me a shout.
Just had shipping details. Leaving December 10th should be with us on 14th. Very small number, of which some have deposits on already.
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I overheard part of the conversation you had with Chris, and he definitely told you to turn the lockring Anti Clockwise to remove it.
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Apologies, remind me never to listen to Joe ever again!
Joe does a great job testing product for us but he knows that puts him in a difficult situation. He knows when to be non-committal about any thing he is currently riding as he doesn't want to be the one who let any cats out of any bags.
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Was talking to Joe Seddon about an Onza 24" a lil while ago, he's got a proto frame but i think Onza decided that the market was far too small with too many good products out or about to be released, so as far as he knew it wasn't going to happen.
Onza thrives on small markets. We actively seek out small markets in the hope that we can make them big. How big was the 20" trials market in 1999 when we first entered it? We introduced the Zoot several years ago and that ran its course although I still get regular phone calls asking if we can supply one. We have actively researched and worked in the 24" market for many years and will continue to do so. We produced the first prototype Inspired frame for Dave Cleaver to his drawings. We have always considered 24" to have a huge scope for growth. Watch this space.
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They only reason onza experimented with a frame where you could take the chain off without breaking it was because they were wanting to try belt drive.
Not true. We had the frame design long before the idea of using a belt drive. The belt drive supplier came to us and suggested that it would be an ideal vehicle to experiment with belt drives. As well as a trials frame, we also had a 24/26 Conspiracy dirt jump frame with the same concept, both of which ideas ,incidentally, have not been completely consigned to the scrap heap.
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Just thought I would add my thoughts on these events. This thread has been running now since January 2007 and has been, by the number of viewings and replies, one of the most popular on the Forum. It has been a great vehicle for us to keep riders up to date with new products and to get feedback from them to plan future strategy. Having all that info available as one resource was useful to us. Closing it means it will be necessary for us to start a new one and the old one will gradually drift off the radar. I find it a little irritating that having deleted the offending post, it was still felt necessary to close the thread. Is there more to it than meets the eye?
With regards to advertising, there is a very specific reason why we no longer advertise on the site. Members may recall that we used to have a banner advert running on here. On the last one we did about a year ago, our copy writer made a spelling mistake on the ad. No real problem, as we quickly spotted it and e-mailed Tom Turd sending a corrected version. Despite this, for some perverse reason and presumably because he found it amusing, he chose to ignore this and several follow up e-mails, and let the advertisement run for three months, allowing it to reflect rather badly on our company. For this reason we withdrew from advertising on here and have not done so since. This is not to say that we would not advertise on here in the future, however.
I am fully aware that the site belongs to him and he can run it however he chooses. It is however by definition a Forum and as such is there for the benefit of its members. To maintain its growth, it needs to be run with professionalism and of course it needs rules to prevent exploitation or abuse. I have not seen Joe's post in this case but I am sure it was never intended to try and advertise our products or services. If that was perceived as such, then surely a quick e-mail to suggest an immediate edit would have done the trick and I know that Joe would have responded very positively. As the worldwide brand manager for Onza, he has not got the time to engage in a bit of backdoor advertising on a forum like this.
We all know stories about the boy who says "Its my football and you are not playing". Eventually nobody plays and football is the loser. I do not want Trials, or indeed Onza, to be the loser here, so can we have the thread re opened please.
I would furthermore add my voice to other posters, that we need stronger guidelines as to what is and isn't advertising.
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Bad news indeeds
is this Ti colour the same as Joe's proto anodised one?More Ti colour and not sand blasted like his old one.
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The "wobble" referred to which affects chain tension, is nothing to do with the freewheel. It is caused by the eccentricity of the thread onto which the freewheel is screwed relative to the centre line of the bottom bracket axis or the wheel axis in the case of a rear freewheel. This is compounded by the eccentricity of the rear sprocket to the wheel axle as well.
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This dropout was developed four years ago and has been used in production models since the 2007 T-Mag, introduced at Cycle 2007 almost 2 years ago. It has been used subsequently on Pro's, Blade's and Comp's (incidentally, all of which use U6 tubing) as well as the Pro series frames. Why do we keep hearing 5 or 6 months?
We take every criticism on board and constantly review our designs to look for improvements. As I have said many times before on this forum, Trials frames, like all products, evolve and all inputs assist this process. There is no definitive "design" for a frame for any particular purpose. No one would argue that our frames currently on offer are not vastly superior to those which we offered 10 years ago. Equally, they were not faulty designs, but were the best we could offer based on our knowledge at that time. We, of course, will look at the scale of any problem which may or may not have been identified here and if improvements are needed we will implement them. This style of dropout is in our opinion the way forward and snail cams are yesterdays solution.
We produce Trials frames without giving them any particular designated usage. I am sure that any description of their purpose given by any of our dealers is done so based entirely on their dimensions and geometry and does not give a guarantee as to how long the frame will last, should you use that advice to make your purchase. Trials riding is a very abusive sport and there is a huge variation in style, scope and quality of riding. For this reason we can give no definitive warranty on any of our frames. Every case is taken on its individual merit and we have in our opinion the best safeguards in the industry for our customers.
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Skull frame now in stock, along with the 96 click Tensile freewheel with white ceramic. Also available at Tarty's on Monday.
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A great performance. Well done and congratulations from all of us here at Onza.
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Ebay item no. 250432631489. Goes off in 3 days.
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First production sample of the new Tensile 96 pick up freewheel. Really hard white ceramic coated teeth, cnc machined pawls. Available to buy in approx. 3 to 4 weeks. Price to be announced.
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Just a quick update on the Syncroloc interlocking single speed system. First prototypes worked extremely well but after costing, because of the huge amount of CNC work the price didn't stack up too well against other s/s converters. Every spacer was racking up the price. In an effort to reduce that we have re designed to minimise the CNC work and new prototypes are expected shortly. This has delayed the launch but we felt that it needed to remain competitively priced even with its uniqueness.
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I've never been a fan of those extra BB looking tubes...
PLEASE get some colours out now!? No more black, white, or silver.
The "extra BB looking tube" is a crucial part of the design. You will note that the frame has no "seat" tube and the cross tube is essential to stiffen the frame in combination with the side plates. It is just a different approach in stiffening.
I'd already seen all that, just trying to help and generate some ideas for you to think about...
All the bikes I've seen the pro riders riding are two-tone, I was simply posting my opinion!
I think Joe feels that from previous experience once pictures are uploaded people just comment on what they see and this is what he predicted. Its all about the frames and designs and nothing whatever to do with graphics and finishes. Those will come later and will be thoroughly discussed I am sure.
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Please note that what we keep referring to as "paint jobs" on these frames are in actual fact 100% anodized. All the graphics and colour changes are in hard anodised finishes, even the silver high lights. There is no paint or any decals, anywhere on either frame. We were very impressed and will be using the system in the future. (But not with these graphics)
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Joe hasn't fully explained about the frames. We were approached by an anodizing company who do a new process of a very tough anodizing which they could do in multiple colours and patterns. They offered to show us what they can do and so we let them loose on our prototypes. What they have done showcases an excellent process which we will probably use. Unfortunately some of the panels they have done look a little like a bizarre hieroglyphics.
When we have released pictures of prototype graphics or fledgling web pages in the past, many TF readers assume its set in stone and some early comments can be very stinging. Joe is much more sensitive to this sort of thing than I am and this explains his reluctance to release pictures. I will try and get some pictures posted tomorrow but if I do please remember that the crazy graphics are not our design and we have no intention of using them.
I can predict that now I have said that, you will all be raving about how good they are.
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Having looked at the site and not wishing to be involved in the pros and cons of your operation, I would point out that there does not seem to be an address on it from which you operate. This is a LEGAL REQUIREMENT of any website through which you are distance selling to consumers.
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T-Master hub is sealed bearings.
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Yes, you have read that correctly. After some swift and quickly concluded negotiations, Ben has decided to ride under the Onza banner for 2009. He will join the other top rated UK rider Andrei Burton as the spearhead of a British assault into Europe and the Rest of the World along with the other members of the Onza team. As everyone already knows, Ben is an exceptionally talented, dedicated and highly focused Trials rider and we are pleased to welcome him to Team Onza.
In Onza's 10th Anniversary year in Trials, we now feel ready to challenge at the highest levels of competition and with the two best British riders backed by some of the UK's finest young or up and coming team members, we plan to be a major force on the scene. 2008 gave us exponential sales growth in the European market, unfortunately ably assisted by the falling pound, and our team is in a strong position to capitalise on this new found popularity.
Our Pro Series equipment and frames, were one of the main reasons that drew Ben to us in the first instance and they have shown that we mean business. As well as welcoming Ben, I would like to say a big thank you to all our existing riders who have worked hard to help put us where we are today. Ben will be riding the new Limey 26 and I wish him and all our other riders the best of luck for the coming season.
Also, thanks to Joe who has worked so hard to put this team together. (No, you can't have a rise.)
Mike Poyzer
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If we're nitpicking then maybe it would be fair to say there may have been some 'inspiration' from the Rohloff tensioner?
Absolutely. Rohloff were there first and we used it as our inspiration. At least, however we didn't do the obvious and make a straight copy of it.
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Always difficult decisions when you develop a new product like this. Nothing patentable and nothing really unique which would make the design registrable which could not be easily got round. We could have paid for the tooling (about $3500 US) and kept it exclusive to us but someone else could easily have produced their own tooling. So the decision was made just to get a head start on anyone else and launch the product well in advance of anyone else. Our spec. is a little different and our price as always is competitive, but as our collaborator paid for the tooling we can do little to stop them selling the concept to other people. Luckily on this occasion we have the satisfaction of knowing what the rest of the world knows, that we got their first, and that our competitor takes our design, copies it, but makes it inferior and more expensive.
Onza Limey 320?
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The frame is anodized, not painted, so it should also be a tough finish.