Mike Poyzer @ Onza
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Call me biased but check out the new Onza Blade frame. Good geometry, U6 tubing, disc mount, very good value and probably the lightest frame available for the price. With the money you save you could afford an Onza Pro series rear rim.
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I would say well done and keep it up. Posting video's like this shows that a young rider can learn a lot in a very short time and may encourage other riders who have never tried Trials to have a go. We obviously want to get as many people on to trials bikes as possible and look positively at anything which may help this goal along.
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Just return it to us and we will send you a replacement FOC. Tensile Optimum, 2, Lowdham Street, Nottingham. NG3 2DP.
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We have been co-operating and working with the manufacturer of this brake set since 2001 and much of our feedback to them has shaped the design. We have now been fitting it for almost 3 years. They have since sold it to many companies including Ison who have their Gusset brand printed on it. So how come its "Onza Copy's".
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Thank you. This was always my understanding.
When is are the pro series frames out then ??Leon x
The first two , Limey 20 and Ice will be in the shops in a couple of weeks. We have the first two production samples in the Office now and we are just building them into Bikes. Pictures should be up soon.
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We already tried it over a year ago. We worked with that belt manufacturer who made us a special unit to fit with the drop stay frame which we were testing at the time. Tried two belts of the strongest type they made and they lasted about two minutes each time before snapping. I'm afraid they were just not up to the shock loading of trials bikes.
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Hydroforming really only gives a greater choice of the more custom looking tubes, unlike those generally used on bicycle frames. Round or symmetric extruded tubes give a limited choice of styles. Hydroforming gives a much greater choice. As has been said, for the limited runs of Trials frames, the cost is prohibitive. However these days many frame companies have invested in the tooling to produce "stock" shapes. You can thus select a hydroformed tube which can be adapted to your particular frame design, without any major investment. This is what we did with our Cleaner Frame and what we are now doing with the new Limey.
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The Skull has been redesigned. New proto is on test now.
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well explained mr. poyzer, but for future reference- metals are not molecular!
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Thanks for the science lesson. It is a long time since I was at college and metallurgy was not my favourite subject. However from what I can remember metals were formed of tightly packed molecules with free electrons, formed into a crystalline structure based on the particular alloying elements.
As has been said the stainless steel rings are not a suitable retro fit and by the time you have flaring its usually too late.
Reference the double disc aspect of the frame, we have been working on this frame for over a year now and when we had the first prototype early 2007, double disc was very rare. We kept it without a disc mount after consulting many riders. However there are only 50 in the first batch and 20 have already gone to Japan and other countries. We have never been a company not to listen to our customers, so if the demand is there we will add a disc mount in the future.
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The new stainless steel rings are very thin and light (section is barely 2 mm square). They weigh only 4 or 5 grams each. Head tube flaring is a problem particularly where big hooks are involved or if headsets are ridden loose, and to add thickness to the tube adds considerable weight and does not stop the problem. Alloy has a much lower tensile strength than stainless steel and it is the sideways tensile pulling of the molecular structure which causes it to expand and flare. The s/s external rings virtually eliminate this with very minimal weight gain (approx. 4 - 6 grams per frame) . Please note, these are not the much larger S/S rings which were on the Limey and which were heavier. They were our first attempt at stopping the problem.
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New kit is looking ace Joe best of luck with it. P.S. I'm so jelous of them dropouts on the limey 1.6 grrrr
Thanks Pat, Yeah the drop outs have been quite a success.
Will the ice have a disc mount when it hits the shops?Nope, Sorry to all you disc fans.
Does the limey have bashmounts?They all have bash mounts, The bash plates that fit are the XTP and echo lite style ones.
Oh and regards to the slack head angle comment, We have made the forks shorter on the 2009 models and for the angle them selves we never really have and complaints from our riders. Although the Limey 1.6 will have a 72 head angle.
The paint jobs have delayed the release of these frames but its always best to take your time on some thing special.
Cheers
Joe
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This just shows that Lincoln was right with his famous comments about pleasing all the people, all of the time.
After some fairly wild and generalised comments, let me just point out one thing.
Our 20 " range always had 2 basic frames (3 with the T-Mag). The T-Vee and T-Bird was broadly the same frame and the T-Pro and T-Comp were also the same frame. The new range has the Rip and Bird with broadly the same frame and then the Pro, Blade and Comp with the second fame. The T-Mag has remained on top of both ranges. So no real change in policy there. The Pro frame is very much a different frame to the Rip/ Bird frame.
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Complete rear white HS33's now available at Super Cycles. Properly boxed after market.
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Take it from me, unless there is a signature from the guy to prove he received it, you will lose the money. The Paypal system is fully stacked always in favour of the buyer. Believe me, we have had several issues, and it doesn't matter what you have in the way of paperwork, however big or small the item, if they say they didn't receive it and there is no proof of delivery (a signature by the buyer or his family is all they will accept), you lose. Your only recourse is a claim with the Post Office for up to the value of 100 first class stamps (£32 currently) and even there you will have to have a certificate of posting and show a receipt for the goods to prove their value. Otherwise you get the value of 6 1st class stamps.(£1.92).
Always bear in mind as well that recorded delivery items DO get lost occasionally and as the system works retrospectively, ie Proof of delivery is only logged after the item is delivered and signed for, a lost item in Recorded Delivery is really only the same as a first class item. It is just less likely to get lost in the first instant, and more or less closes the options for a crooked recipient. The only "safe" methods are Royal Mail Special Del., Parcel Force 24/48 or other signature only couriers. Compensation levels always vary as well so make sure your item is covered to adequate value.
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Snapped the steerer on 2 pairs of mod version TufGuys
I'm pretty sure we never made a 20" Tuf Guy
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Vessel docked at Felixstowe yesterday. Containers expected Friday this week and Monday next. Should start going out to dealers before end of next week. All five new models will be plentiful.
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First of all, we don't have a patent on the freewheel removal system, it is a Registered Design. There is a very clear and distinct difference.
Secondly, AC Racing patented their pawl and ratchet system for producing a 15 tooth freewheel on a standard hub thread, not their freewheel removal system.
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This is a false fact.
How are you able to make this bold statement.
1. I don't know how long the AC freewheel has been around but I saw a picture of it for the first time fairly recently. I know that we have been working on development of ours since the Taipei show in 2001 and preliminary sketches were there in 2002.
2. Our design registration was applied for in 2004 with photographs of the freewheel.
3. The Pat Pending referred to on the AC freewheel refers not to the removal system but to the arrangement of the pawls and ratchets. As far as I can see the Patent has never been granted although I could be wrong there.
I am not prepared to make any comments or claims about who was the prime designer of this removal method , firstly because I don't know and secondly I don't really care. I do know however that we designed ours independently of AC racing and were not even aware of that companies existence when we lodged our design registration application.
I furthermore know that it does not matter how many teeth you knock out, if it is still basically a 20 tooth spline system.
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what i do feel though is that you should do an onza top spec mod,The Ice will be become a full build. Full pro series kit on it. Maybe available near Christmas. We are working on the Koxx Monty thing though. ha ha.
We certainly plan to introduce such a model. The problem is the difficulty in assessing how big this market really is. So many people at that level wish to spec. every last part themselves.
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I know we could have done that but further problems would have ensued such as de burring which increases costs even further. The plain fact however is that there are implications in strength when putting square holes in alloy and we felt that putting the holes in both skins would leave such a skeleton product, that increased failures would occur. If riders wish to take it that one step further then they are welcome to do it themselves at their own risk. We are producing a product which we will be selling through a reputable chain of independent cycle dealers and do not wish to take risks with both our and their reputations. We thought that leaving the back skin with the round holes, would maintain the integrity of the overall rim without dramatically increasing the weight.
We test all our products thoroughly before launch but there is no substitute for genuine sales to really find out what riders will do to your components. If things go well we may consider squaring the rear holes as well in the future or even dropping the eyelets.
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Why bashplate and guard on the cranks ?
These cycles are sold in shops all over the country and they have to meet British Standards. Hence they require a chainguard. This is a particular necessity with a front freewheeling system.The bash ring therefore acts as a chain guard.Of course, we also need a bash plate so we fit both.
This combination also gives the option for you to remove the bashplate for UCI riding and still have protection for the freewheel.
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Not really, nothing to boast about.
Also why bother with the 3 almost identical top models - just different brakes, and a drill has been taken to the rims (apart from the front hog on the 'blade') ??
Because someone with a bit of sense would just buy the 'pro' at £440, as £110 more for the 'comp' is barely worth it as Maguras are quite shite to be honest - and you wouldn't get the disc hubs anymore, just someone whos taken a drill to your rims
If you wanted a dual maggie Onza, it'd still make more sense to buy the 'pro' and fit magguras to it surely?I'm not trying to be a twat, I just think the price gaps between the top 3 models are a bit to much!
But in all fairness they look really nice
and good call shortening the forks.EDIT: perhaps make the stem lower next year, and the clamp interface 31.8 (as this would make it easyer for begineers to upgrade one step at a time
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Glad to see you like them, (It's Joe by the way not Mike)
Grips are pretty sweet because you do not have to buy a certain colour to go with your colour scheme. Have you ever used the porcipaw grips?
Right, I knew someone would pick up on this, So here goes......
These bikes are designed to go in any bike shop for any sort of buyer. From experience you would not beleive the amount of parents that phone up and say "I want one of those trial bike things with those sqeeky brakes, Mungara's I think you call them"
So many enty level riders that do not know a lot about trials only look for whats stopping them. Thats why there are 3 models with different brake options. Non of them make more money then other, Its just how much they cost to make O.E.
So a wise Trials Rider would see that the Blade is the best value for money model, but you are not hitting the general market.
Good idea about the stems being 31.8 but this range was done on a shoe string this year, With all the price increases we had to take some sacrifice's. Like Alloy forks, oversize stem and bars etc.
I want the pro frame soo bad! Will they be sold seperately, and how much? Also would Moore and Large still be distributing them?From personal experience, on hold and bite the Onza disc brake out performs my hope and many of my friends bb7's, the brake lever isn't the greatest in the world so change that and you'll all be sorted.
They all look so good.
I also like the fact how sticky fingers are only present on the Rip, its a good improvement to see every model with Creepy's as standard.
Yes you will be able to buy the Comp frame separately (same as the Pro and Blade) Moore Large will be distributing them still and I think they will sell for around £179.
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To put it in a quick simple answer,
When building any of our top riders bikes they get the choice of ronnie or hog rims. They all say Hog straight away and give Tyre roll the reason behind it. So for me to bring out thinner rims then I would be going against some of the best riders points of view.
Its not quite 49mm. To be precise its 48.72. So we should not see any problems with rims not fitting frames.
I'll do some more pics soon on the rims. Little busy at the mo with the pics of the new bikes being released.
Cheers Joe
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Just to add that this new range is now on the water and should be available to buy early September.ie. ETA first week in September
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Without wishing to look too defensive, why is there this reputation that Eno's are the only serviceable freewheel. Parts are all available for the Tensile and work out considerably cheaper. Maintenance is also quick and easy although seldom necessary.