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Obiously you will advise koxx as you ride for them. I have 3 contenders; Zoo pitbull 2005 size-1060 Echo Control 2005 size-1065 Koxx Levelboss 2005 size-1065 Im looking into the koxx trying to find some geo, I think the longer stays would suit as it closer to what I ride now The 05 zoo at £279 is tempting. The pics of the guy trying a 360 proves you can do street style stuff on them with the right bar and stem set up.ie shorter stem..Echos also £279 but has 20mm bb rise so I think thats out of the running (Y) and the koxx is the highest price at £400..... (Y) Just spotted on select bikes that the bb rise is only 10mm on the 05 control, seems to be all kinds of geo flying around that aint right...Bottom bracket: 68mm / 10mm higher I have a bike and I do ride it, only it might be better on sumet fresh...May give my riding a kick up tha a$$, get me back into it again...Does your mate bunnyhop, manual and hop up manual on his zoo??????????? Thats 3 things I wouldnt wana stop doing if I changed frames...

Well it does on my bike, I have pashley forks on but USEs make it shorter and they are staright bladed, it felt horrible so I took them off

Zoo pitbull 2005 size-1060 Echo Control 2005 size-1065 Koxx Levelboss 2005 size-1065 Which one??? You know what I want it for, so which one, short stem on, should work for me???? Opinions please

Guess I will consider the new 1 then...and the weird Z seat tube thing, looks weird...But if people say it rides nice then i should be kool for me. I dont like straight blade forks so I dont really want to make the wheelbase any longer with a raked fork???

hmm...that waynio advised a levelboss 1065 says it still feels shortish in the front triangle....My mate who now lives in usa who rides a 04 zoo pitbull mentioned koxx too...says the longer bikes wont suit me as he knows how I ride but says a shorter vertion with a shorter stem could work????Any thoughts on that?? Said I can have a blast on his kenny at the next comp....I wont be going though.....fek...............

1040 bit short, 1065 I mean, sorry......Nice try though

Im after a new 2004 levelboss 26" anyone know anyone know any sites or shops that still stock them?

Anyone know where I can get a 2004 26" Levelboss frame in short wheelbase???????????????????????????????

Kinda bored with looking for them online...I mean just online vids.... I can download now.... Feel lazy and cant b ar$ed lookin anymore....... :P :P ;)

Nice 1...I had a great email of my idol Ryan Leech and it REALLY helped me, a lot....But these bloody back problems really get me down man............I wana go out and ride, but because Ive been off it for 2 years, I find it hard, and when I push I start to hurt...Jezez...trials man.... keep you sane and drives you mad..... www.kissthechainring.com thats my site..hava ganzee..nowt really there.. want decent photos up there.. they r just the most recent I have... Shots of me surfing on Fistral last month on the news page The new echo control any good??? I really like the look of it, but have no idea how it will ride.... ?

Me on the pashley yeah, I felt so shite after that day, a 3 hour drive down on sat, pay for hotel, payed a full membership to enter, acu too! £80 it cost in total+ petrol !! Got there, felt shit, rid a few, make a pigs breakfast of them, tried again, I just couldnt get into it. Ive always felt reluctant to get started in comps, it dont suit my style really. Ive been having real bad back problems for 12 months which is made worse by riding. Thats ongoing anyways. b*****d back.....:P ............Anway, I just think I will feel more at home on a longer bike, but, a shorter version if you get me. I dont like the new levelboss with that weird Z seat tube thing, looks crap....Do you know where I can get last years frame? Also do you know the geo of the new one???? stays, toptube length, head angle etc....Cant find it anywhere, I aint goin to the next comp, dob bloody park, never rid there but my mates said its shitty, wet, and...ermmmmm muddy..... Fek that......Long way to go to feel like a total waste of time...Maybe next year.... On my comp bike huh :P I never ever do front wheel taps or shit like that, rather just bunnyhop up BANG..no messin.....I love hop up mauals, front wheel 180/360 stuff..... Leech style......... Hard to describe what I ride but.....will give you an idea of what bike to advise cheers m8

I rid expert and found it hard....Ive only competed 3 or 4 times like but....That was over 2 year ago..Been out 2 years and was suprised at how hard it was. (Not to mention sec 4!!)I had to retire with back pains AGAIN....as usual..I ride street all the time but ride some natural...I found that almost everyone had these new style comp bikes which seemed much easier to ride in that kinda situation, so Ive been looking at getting a new frame now..BUT, people on here say "Oh they are no good for you" What do you think? You can read the rundown in this post about the bike I ride etc etc etc. Been trying to get some good info and dvise about what I should do... Heres what I said last week..... someone said a short frame 1065 or sumet would be ok...Not sure... with a shorter back, and a riser bar with a 90mm ten degree rise stem it should feel fine for quick twisty moves, backwheel 360s, front wheel pivots, what about hop up manuals etc?? short back end should be good right?? What Id like is a bike with a wheel base of around 1055/1065 not sure if 1065 would be too long? I ride 1040 now, pashley. a shorter back end to help on the back wheel, around 380/385 a headangle that gives a long top tube of around 22,5" ish maybe longer, dont know what angle would giv that, a bb height that aint too mad, +10mm rise max, or 0 even better with a short snappy feel but room for me to feel comfortable??? HELP!! Oh and Im 6'4 and have an aggressive style...I ride a pashley 26mhz now and have done since 2000...wheelbase about 1040 which is short for my height and think it might be cramping my style so to speak..Im on my 3rd....I fancy a change and think it might help

Did you set the courses out at the last tykes trial????

Anybody know any great online trials videos I can watch that actually WORK????

ha,, so what frame should I get then, and yeah akrigg is aggressive.... Me too so I need a bike to ride street style on??????????????????

What was the milk frame looks kool to me and will be fine for my riding style I think. I lknow what I want and am going to contact leeson and get a price, get a total 1 off made

Are these frames the milk and choco frames wid a new name? anyone know the geo of these? Mainly the totskoye??? http://www.yaabaa.com/

Just been talking to my mate about what frame to get, he showed me this page http://www.rideactive.nl/Koxx/koxx_bikes/streetmtb_S6XX.htm Ive NEVER even heard of them never mind saw them, anyone know any info on them?

Not getting any closer to a decision, Had a look at some1s echo 04 control before, didnt look that odd, 1060 wheel base, couldnt ride it as the back tyre was flat, shame because I really wana have a shot with a new style bike and see what they feel like

Reading about the curtis bikes, seems kool but £££'s!!!!!!

Hmm thats what I thought, with a shorter back, and a riser bar with a 90mm ten degree rise stem it should fel fine for quick twisty moves, backwheel 360s, front wheel pivots, what about hop up manuals etc?? short back end should be good right?? What Id like is a bike with a wheel base of around 1055/1065 not sure if 1065 would be too long? I ride 1040 now, pashley. a shorter back end to help on the back wheel, around 380/385 a headangle that gives a long top tube of around 22,5" ish maybe longer, dont know what angle would giv that, a bb height that aint too mad, +10mm rise max, or 0 even better with a short snappy feel but room for me to feel comfortable

Onza woodstock, That what akrigg used to ride???? echo koxx, yeah. Quite a few people have said they are no good for me and I wont be able to do certain moves on them which I find hard to believe but I aint rode one, its seems to do a never ending circle of conflicting advice. Im listening to what everyone has to say, studying the geo specs, and trying to analyze all the info I have to come up with a decision but Im finding it all quite confusing...

echo koxx, yeah. Some people have said they are no good for me and I wont be able to do certain moves on them which I fing hard to believe but I aint rode one, its seems to do a never ending circle of conflicting advice. Im listening to what everyone has to say, studying the geo specs, and trying to analyze all the info I have to come up with a decision but Im finding it all quite confusing... :P :turned: (Y) Yeah well. Thank you very much for your input

:turned: yeah, you could argue all day about whos the best rider in the world, its just a personal opinion. I think its more about what style you like rather than what they can do eg just because some1 can do a higher sidehop than some1 else, it dont make them a better rider....Anyway