O, ok then i think i'll give the pedals a miss. Has Deng released any of his new pedals to any of his sponsors yet and if so what are they like. Well i am running zoo pads at the moment and didn't really feel the need to grind my rim but I'm going to get some of them green rock pads and then grind it. I heard them Revel pedals are rather good so i might consider them at some stage( in black). And as with the rotor I'm running on the front, this is the story-when i built the bike up i was using a magura Louise, the brake itself wasn't the best and i got my hope for £20 of a mate. I bled it and did the dousing with water thingy you do with them so make them work better. I got it good and decided to leave that rotor on. When i bought the brake he gave me an a-z spikey rotor with it aswell but I'm going to have to get it straight and remove the oil from it. Which i may well do. Anyways thanks for the advice... Tom..... Edit: and i know the rear hose is pathetically long, going to get shortened.