Good Beginners Bikes

[Newtotrials123]

hello everyone im new to trials and im only getting my trials bike at christmas but i dont know which one to get.

Ive been having a look on tarty bikes and thought of getting an onza rip 2010 but i have read the reviews and the coments on trials forum and decided to look around even more

i cant find all the bikes for sale on the forum yet because i am not validated so if you can please help me find a bike and get validated.

[benjo1989]

I've just started learning on an Onza Bird 2010 after some recommendations on here

[Luke Dunstan]

Onza is the way to go, on a budget yet great bikes for the price. and dirt cheap second hand on ebay.

[dannytrialskid]

If you want to know what the best bike for your is then you have to ride some bikes, do you have mates that ride trials? - If so then ask if you can have a go, if you like the feel of it then get one similar.

If there is something on there that you don't like then, just find something that you do like and put that on instead.

[Newtotrials123]

I've just started learning on an Onza Bird 2010 after some recommendations on here

How much is that bike?

Edited June 14, 2010 by Newtotrials123

[benjo1989]

How much is that bike?

I got it for £350

[JackZOO!]

Hey,

For a starter bike, I believe that you should really think about what bike to buy. You should take into account the brake setup and I shall explain it to you in detail.

There are a couple of different brake setups but i will explain a handfull of them to you.

Double Hs33:Double Hs33 is one of the best brake setups. It is good because the brakes hold well of smooth or ground rims(Ground meaning ground down with a disc grinder). Unfortunatlly they are also expensive, at the price of £59.99 from www.tartybikes.co.uk for a single brake. They do not have to be maintained as much as disc brakes and last for a while. Hs33's are also hydrolic rim brakes so they need bleeding once in a while but that is easy enough once you've watched some video guides.

Double Disc: Is a very expensive brake setup. Each brake can cost up to £100 or more! There are 2 different types of disc brakes. Cable disc brakes, like V-Brakes, and hydrolic disc brakes, like hs33's using liquid for the brake to operate. For a starter you should not really buy a frame or bike with double disc, and the brakes have to be mainted often otherwise the preformance will decrease. As you can proabally tell, hydrolic discs are better than cable, but come at a price. A big advantage is that double disc means sharp braking, which is proabally not a good idea for a starter bike.

Front Disc Rear Hs33: Front disc and rear hs33 is proabally the best setup, or most used setup in trials. This is because you get a nice sharp front brake for moves like stopies etc and a grippy rear hs33, which can work even better on a ground rim. I would personally recomend this brake setup, however it is quite costly for both of these brakes. I would say you should upgrade your forks once your used to riding and put a nice sharp responsive disc on the front.

Double V-Brake: Double V-Brake is the cheapest setup, and can be one of the best if setup correctly. I would also recommend this to any starter. They brakes can again be nice and sharp of ground or smooth rims but also can be fearthed easily. However, If you buy a frame with V-Brake mounts, and you want to upgrade to hs33's, then you need to buy a new frame. This is one disadvantage of V-Brakes so it is important you make the right choice first time.

Here are a few bikes I would recomend that you condiser buying. Each one has the brake setups I was talking about.

Bike:Onza Rip

Price:£319.99

Brake Setup:Double V-Brake

Bike:Onza Pro

Price:£489.00

Brake Setup:Double Disc

Bike:Onza Comp I recomend This bike!

Price:£529.99

Brake Setup:Double Hs33

Bike:Onza Blade

Price:£589.00

Brake Setup:Disc Front, Hs33 Rear

I hope this information helps you and aids you to make your choice about brakes

[Kmcg]

This years Onzas look AMAZING.

I've got an Onza bird and its fab except for the rear V-brake.

JackZOO - what do I need to do to replace V-brake with the HS33...I had a look on Tarty and there was stuff about break clamps etc. Are the likes of HS33 compatible with standard V-brake mounts.

Cheers

Edited June 16, 2010 by Kmcg

[monty-james]

Id go for an Onza, take a look around ebay and stuff, you might be in luck and find a really cheap bargain bike.

Best of luck

[JackZOO!]

This years Onzas look AMAZING.

I've got an Onza bird and its fab except for the rear V-brake.

JackZOO - what do I need to do to replace V-brake with the HS33...I had a look on Tarty and there was stuff about break clamps etc. Are the likes of HS33 compatible with standard V-brake mounts.

Cheers

Well basically, you get 3 different types of mounts. Hs33 mounts, which are two paralell threads, V-Brake mounts, which is a single thread and disc mounts which is again, two threaded mounts.

Instead of replacing V-Brakes with hs33's I would suggest BUYING a frame with Hs33 mounts already, as it will be only a tiny bit more expensive, and you will not have the hassle of V-Brake to hs33 converters. It is also hard to setup hs33's with V-brake converters, especially for a starter like you.

HS33 Mounts:

Disc Mounts:

V-Brake Mounts:

I PERSONALLY would recomend the onza comp and if I was you, I would buy this bike. It is cheap, has the double hs33 setup which Ive already told you about and looks pretty nice too.

As you can see from the pictures, Hs33's constist of 4 threaded wholes in the frame. Each "Clamp" has 2 bolts which screw into the frame, and becareful when doing this as you can cross thread easily and have to buy a brand new frame instantly. The V-Brake only has 2 bolts, one on each side of the frame meaning the brake cannot hold aswel or be as powerful inless setup correctly on the same rim. I will not go into detail about double disc inless requested.

EXAMPLE- My friend made a bad mistake which I don't want people like you to make. He bought a saracen trials bike which is alright for starters. It had V-Brake mounts on the forks and frame, but the rest of the bike was stock. As he got better he decided to upgrade to hs33's but then realised the costs. He needed x2 Hs33's costing £120 x1 Frame costing £200+. If he had have bought a frame or bike which came with hs33's or Hs33 mounts then he would not have this extra cost, which would work out to be more than simply buying the correct bike in the first place.

Take a look around and see what you like, and tell me if you want and I can give you feedback on whats what.

By the way, I would not recomend buying anything over £650, and when you pay that sort of money for a starter bike, you might aswel have a ZOO! Lynx or a Echo Lite!!!

THE BIKE I RECOMEND:

[Newtotrials123]

Thanks for the info. Ive had alook at some bikes but im thinking of spending no more than £400 on my first bike depending on how much i get at christmas and my birthday, Im going to start saving up now.

Most of the good bikes with hydrolic brakes on which is what i want really are very expensive for a first bike. Im not bothered what brake is on the front.

If i can find an echo lite for sale ill get one of them, but if i cant then im thinking of getting a cheap but good bike and buying and putting on a hydrolic brake myself.

If you can help even more i would appreciate it.

Edited June 16, 2010 by Newtotrials123

[JackZOO!]

Thanks for the reply,

Well it's good now that your starting to create your own opinion on what bikes you like and what brakes you like. £400 for a starter bike? I would sya thats a very reasonable price for a starter bike and now I can see I was looking a bit over your price range...

So here are some examples of what sort of deals you could be snapping up on ebay! I sold my onza T-Bird for £100 there and it was double hs33!!! (These are based on the fact you dont care what the front brake is, which my signifficantly bring the price down)

BTW Are you sure your looking for a 20"?

Bike: Onza T-Pro

Buy It Now Price:N/A

Bidding: £100

Brake Setup: Double HS33

Link: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/onza-t-pro-trials-bike-/170498970306?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item27b287d2c2

Bike: Onza T-Pro

Buy It Now Price: £350

Bidding: N/A

Brake Setup: Double Disc

Link: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Onza-Pro-Trials-Bike-Excellent-Condition-/220623327986?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item335e2cd2f2

This bike is an example to how much you'll be spending on a echo which is obviously what you want or like the look of! They are very expensive even second hand and in this case it would be cheaper to buy a brand new ECHO than to buy this!!!

Bike: Echo Team

Buy It Now Price: £600

Bidding: £500

Brake Setup: Front Disc Rear HS33

Link: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Echo-Trials-Bike-Monty-Try-all-Adamant-/260617293120?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item3cae004d40

Take a look at each of these a see what you think. When you do some research you can really find some sweet deals! BTW How old are you?

[Newtotrials123]

Thanks for the links and yes im sure that i want a 20"/mod as my bike because you see im only 13 years old so i will start off with a 20" and might eventually go up to a 24" and so on when i get older.

What do you think of this idea???

Im thinking of getting an onza bird because its cheap and its got a good front brake but for the rear brake i cant say the same .

Even though v-brakes are good on the front i dont really think they are the same on the back therefor i will get a hydrolic brake. Possibly a maguraa (im not sure how to spell that).

A maguraa hydrolic for the back off the forum because ive seen some cheap ones already.

Please tell me what you think of my idea.

[anusthegreat]

You should try both stock and mod bikes first before making a decision. Stock bikes are easier to ride, it won't take you ages to get to another spot or something, you will never fly over the handlebar b/c of the large wheel size. Mod bikes are kinda more competitive: it's not a better choice for a first trials bike.

Also, I would recommend to pay attention to the geometry: concider of asking some trials riders around which geometry would be more comfortable for you. Anyway, 13 y. o. is that kind of age you can never expect you still can wear your summer shoes next season Good luck.

[davey1991]

Mostly wrong stuff.

I'm sorry but if he takes that advice he'll loose knwledge rather than gain it.

Maguras require more maintenance than disk, the pads wear far quicker so the brake needs to be adjusted to take this into account, the pads are far more difficult to align so it takes alot more time. They are ok on smooth rims but if it gets wet your probably going to be wanting a disk.

Dual disk is great on mod there is nothing that says you shouldn't and it is deffinatley not a bad idea in anyway. You talk about sharp breaking, disk brakes are great for one thing, they have more modulation than maggies, this means they aren't as sharp to start with.

Hydro disks are no better than mechanicals if set up correctly infact i much prefer mechanicals they feel much more solid and more feel to the braking as your physically conected to the brake.

Vee's are amazing brakes, if you set them up well they will out perform most other brake setups. You do not need to change a frame to run magura's you buy an EVO 2 adaptor.

It seems like you were just talking for validation votes there and giving some not brilliant info.

This above is only a vague insight but it is how each works.

[Newtotrials123]

Thanks for telling me that info but ive made up my mind im getting an onza bird for my very first bike and then as get better at trials riding i will get a better bike. On this bike the onza bird im going to buy a second hand magura for it because my friend told me that they are the best hydrolic brakes you can get. Is this true ?

[Jamie_Trials]

Thanks for telling me that info but ive made up my mind im getting an onza bird for my very first bike and then as get better at trials riding i will get a better bike. On this bike the onza bird im going to buy a second hand magura for it because my friend told me that they are the best hydrolic brakes you can get. Is this true ?

Yeh, magura hs33's are good, but better if you don't have to have evo adapters like you would with the bird.