You talk some crap lol, the twin triangle may be preferred for street, but the coust/ashton/onza/zoo shape is pretty unbeatable in the uci world, with the obvious exception of koxx and echo which are still kind of twin triangle esque. Just because a frame is made by machines in taiwan doesn't mean that it doesn't have some thought or care put into it. Think of ashtons frame for example, thats made in taiwan yet he spent years developing that. curtis and leeson are starting to blur together, especially in the 24" but thats just trials evolution and progress :) + of course companies want to make money lol, Curtis for example charge an extra 100 over leeson yet they are both handmade in Britain.
pete
P.s. vince's bike is looking good, there are some hints on otn that the rims are powdercoated to match his new frame. powdercoated xtp? or whole new frame?