Me nor Craig are trying to make a big deal out of this, As for JT now posting again clearly just trying to Pee me off has actually now peed Craig off as well. Why has this been blown up, I'm trying to keep something quite for a good reason. this frame is going to be used on a range of bikes sub £600 so the comments of "pah its just an Ice" is actually pretty cool as an Ice frame retails at almost £300. Its actually quite amazing this has created a 6 page thread when neither me nor the creator wanted it to be seen. I cant believe I get slagged off as well, If this was the "big release" then fair enough but it wasn't.