Dang!

Aaaaaaarggghhh! your killing me- Honestly, I'm dumbfounded at the moment. Would you please read through some of the previous posts.

Very True- I am also not really looking for people to test the frame as much experience the frame. And no pro's have posted...

the last three suggestions seem really viable, I think between Adam and I we can come up with what the cost will be. As long as it is paid for then the issue is resolved. Adam the box is 48"x8"X" Dimensional weight 19lbs. If it is a promotional item (not for resale) will it require duties? The additional cost of insuring it @ $700.00 is like $4.65 I will run some numbers on @ cost from Australia to you. Please do the same. It is all third country shipping for me once it leaves the states, but there is added security if I am the shipper (if anything should happen to the package is automatically returned to me). If you are "importing" it instead of receiving it, will this effect cost? I cannot do any third country shipping from England to Ireland (don't know why).

Mr. Fingers I think I love you. Between the exchange rates, this economy, and our governments, I have no idea how to ever get frames sold in England. I basically have to pay you to buy them. It really sucks, I know you all are going to really like the frame.

I think we have all decided that the $100.00 isn't going to happen, so let's drop it. Instead let's discuss ways to get the frame into the country and then let each rider fend for themselves. The real issue is simply getting it into the country without sticking one person for it. Spread it around a little. The frame is going to Adam first in the UK, I think between he and I we can work it out to the cheapest possible. Then the next hurdle is Ireland, which if I remember right Adam-Griffin said he would pick up or arrange. The most expensive shipment is going to be from the States to Australia and the from Australia to England. I will be able to calculate cost on Monday when UPS releases the discount they are going to give me. For what it's worth it is only people in England that are having an issue with this?

Wow... If only you could comprehend what it takes. Guys, I am a small little company. As in me. I am hand building these frames one at a time. I am importing 7005 tubes and stock from Taiwan, as they are the only suppliers of I know of. In fact I think they are the only suppliers period. Maybe China? I am not importing hundreds or thousands of frames from Taiwan or China like everyone else. My materials cost me $200.00 per frame. I machine all my own parts I bend all my own tubes Cope, weld, straighten, heat treat... Me all me! A frame takes me 3-4 weeks to build on my off hours (I own a fabrication business and can't afford to hire it to build these frames) Paint @ $100.00 decals $20.00 Total hours of fabrication = roughly 30 hrs. If you do the math- that's $12.67 per hour if I sell the frame @ $700.00. If orders increase I can achieve volume efficiency, over that and I have someone who is willing to do production runs. I will have to order a lot of them and the price per frame will go up, which I may have to do anyway. Or do what every other company is doing and have my frames built in Taiwan by the thousands and then I can charge next to nothing. But I really don't want to do this. I enjoy providing custom frame geometry, and the ability to tweak the design. As far as I know I am the only builder providing custom UCI competition frames. Non of the other companies can provide this, they don't make their own frames.

I'm sure we can figure out a way to make this work out, but it is going to require you to determine how to pay for the frame to get into the country. Split it up amongst the first 4 riders, then hand it off between yourselves. Help me find a sponsor and pay nothing...

I am getting a lot of flak from you folks in the UK. And maybe you are right, $100.00 per person might be too much to ask. I can't afford to cover it and don't feel I need to. So in the end the Americas will be treated on a per shipment basis. For those in Ireland, UK, and Australia. We need to either find a sponsor or determine a way to cover the large shipment costs. Until this is resolved, this will have to wait. I will try and find some sponsors, or other ways around. It's also possible to split the initial payment into the country between the riders there. Mr. Fingers, you may be right about the duties. I do need to insure these frames for full value in the instance that the shipper does destroy it, I have to come up with the replacement. I would rather have $700.00 to do this than 150.00 I think that is fair? I would love to hear some ideas?

Well at least you realize that I am not going to be making any money on this. If it makes it easier to digest the payment schedule can be adjusted to a month ahead of receipt of frames, I can maybe eat it on the first few months... maybe. If you guys don't feel like this is worth your time and money to be a part of, so be it. I can't afford to bank roll this, and I don't think it's fair to ask the first rider in Australia to pay $225 US plus duties and VAT and then the first rider in England to pay a similar amount. The frames have to be insured each for there replacement value, even as they get beat. The replacement value is $700.00. So if it breaks, I have to pay to ship it to me, fix it and send it back out, possibly refund the rider who had it or was going to get it. I'm doing this because I think it's a great way to help the sport, no one has done anything like this, and it's good press. Or bad press... who knows. I and the other companies involved are putting out a lot personally to try make this a fun time for everyone. I am not really asking all that much of you, if you don't have time or the wherewithal to take some photos, shoot some Vid, write about it, then it's you who are missing out. All of this is going to be posted and compiled, and I plan to publish this through different cycling magazines. As the riders, it will be your face, your build, your words that are in the lime light. Again- I am not looking for testing or testers- I am looking for riders who want to participate in this year long public event. The frames are going to be given away to one of the riders, so what I get out of it is some publicity for good or bad, and the knowledge that I have initiated one of the cooler things to happen in the trials world in a long time. If you cheap out, or feel I am trying to rob you of something. I am sorry. But so be it. Just let me know now. Hinmaton

Shipping- Very Important! I have been working with UPS to determine the best way to deal with shipping and tracking. I decided to use UPS because they work in all the countries the frame is going and they have really good tracking software. Because these frames are going to so many different places, some with duties and VAT, some without, some will be handed off, some will take a week to arrive, etc... The most fair method is to create a flat fee for everyone. The fee is going to be $100.00 US. This fee is going to apply to all who want to participate, even those who are going to hand off frames. This fee needs to be paid to me. In turn, I will set up all the shipments, all the labels will be emailed to you, I will also send replacement boxes. All you need to do is receive the frame, ride it, pack it and put the label on it. Pick up will be scheduled for you. Unless they won't pick up where you are, then you will be required to drop off. With the payment I will need: your email your name your ship to address your phone number I will understand if you feel this is too much cost... but only so far. it's just not that much for what you are getting access to. In order for this to work, I will require this money in the next two months or there abouts. For those who are the first group, I will need it now. The most expensive shipments are some of the first ones. Also take note that some of your favorite Trials shops are pitching in with goodies for your build. If you are disinterested, I am sorry, but this is the only reasonable method I could come up with. Please post that you are out so I can find a replacement. Hinmaton

For those who just can't get themselves to cross the pond via interweb: This is a custom job for the first ever owner of a custom CAELIFERA The Stealth Dark colorway The "takes on the world" colorway I hope you all like it because it's what you are getting. Marking will be done with a silver paint pen, or gold... whatever.

and again today.... I'll try something else

I am excited to see all the work you have been doing with Onza, It's very impressive what you have accomplished. It's refreshing to see a non French company make a push. It also refreshing to see the honesty from the Onza side, and I appreciate the continued effort to keep the company immersed in the trials community. I hope folks see what they have here. As a competitor I am grateful to have a company to look up to. And that zoom thing is really the coolest thing ever.

Final color scheme- having too many issues posting images on here so please follow linky: here

I can not find a definitive result, but I pronounce it: sa-leaf-era

Final List: we hope.... South Ghost (Jacksonville) Stock No_seat_No_ed (Birmingham) Stock Edge (Dallas) Stock Stanislaw (Dallas) Mod Rupintart (Florida) Stock West Coast TTownJon (Seattle) Stock Modtire (Seattle) Mod Lucky13 (Seattle) Stock Toad (Eugene) Mod Midwest Mhoulmont (Petoskey/Kalamazoo, MI) Mod Nuckfut (Wisconsin) Stock Mikeyr89 (Madison, Wi) Stock Whaden918 (Overland Park) Stock East Coast One Eye (Baltimore) Stock Bryan (Natick, MA) Stock Canada Joey V (Brantford, ON) Stock CordyBoy () Mod Chaloux (Gravenhurst) Mod Australia/New Zealand Stocktrials (Sydney) Stock Rush (Victoria) Stock Stikman (New Zealand) Stock European Countries Adam@TartyBikes (Lancaster) Stock Alex Dark (Cornwall) Stock gtburrows (Worcestershire) Stock Tall_Rob (Kent) Stock Ogre (Lincolnshire) Stock Muel (Derbyshire) Stock RossMcD (Highland) Stock Ben Beynon (Cornwall) Mod Cadbury's (Cornwall) Mod Lab Rat (Cornwall) Mod Ashley-Wood (Berkshire) Mod Conner Powell (Berkshire) Stock Dan6061 (Buckinghamshire) Mod Ozzy (Pembrokeshire) Mod Adam-Griffin (Ireland) Mod The Goat (Ireland) Stock There is one too many Mod riders... but it will probably be fine?

The UK will be recieving it's own stock frame so to speak. The release date is mid to late March. The frames are in heat treat as I write, then I check them one last time for straightness, then off to paint.

I need a new scale, but last I checked they were under 4lbs. List- Please verify information- It is somewhat in order. The Mod will have to travel about quite a bit... South Ghost (Jacksonville) Stock No_seat_No_ed (Birmingham) Stock Tim_E (Hilton Head) Mod Edge (Dallas) Stock Stanislaw (Dallas) Mod Rupintart (Florida) Stock West Coast: TTownJon (Seattle) Stock Modtire (Seattle) Mod Lucky13 (Seattle) Stock Toad (Eugene) Mod Midwest Mhoulmont (Petoskey/Kalamazoo, MI) Stock Nuckfut (Wisconsin) Stock Mikeyr89 (Madison, Wi) Stock East Coast One Eye (Baltimore) Stock Bryan (Natick, MA) Stock Canada Joey V (Brantford, ON) Stock CordyBoy () Mod Australia/New Zealand Stocktrials (Sydney) Stock Rush (Victoria) Stock Stikman (New Zealand) Stock European Countries Adam@TartyBikes (Lancaster) Stock Alex Dark (Cornwall) Stock gtburrows (Worcestershire) Stock Tall_Rob (Kent) Stock Ogre (Lincolnshire) Stock Muel (Derbyshire) Stock RossMcD (Highland) Stock Ben Beynon (Cornwall) Mod Cadbury's (Cornwall) Mod Lab Rat (Cornwall) Mod Ashley-Wood (Berkshire) Mod Conner Powell (Berkshire) Stock Dan6061 (Buckinghamshire) Mod Ozzy (Pembrokeshire) Mod Adam-Griffin (Ireland) Mod The Goat (Ireland) Stock

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No chat- no time to spend doing it. Glad to here about the rider, have him post.

I need to determine: the order for the frames going to England, Ireland, Wales, and Australia. which countries are going to require duties and VAT. who is going to use shipping and who is going to find another way. I think it might make sense that the frames going to Aus. go first, I think they have decent whether now. (a little hot maybe....)

They are all going to get the booster, just haven't finished yet.

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/92u-P...feat=directlink http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/qDHAa...feat=directlink I hope you boys are ready, these little soldiers are ready to kick some ass!

Well put, I hope you are closer to the front of the list-

not a bad idea- for those who want to play- grab the photo of the white frame and play with that?