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It would be nice... in a way. However, to have a purpose we would then simply be puppets playing out some charade for the designer of that purpose. With regards what we are, I'll leave you with a quote from the master philosopher Agentius Smithus; "Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet." Amen brother.

The thing is I've already been through this in Dave's 'Hardcore Christian' thread where it was discussed to death and Joe told us of the 'miracles' he had witnessed which, from what I remember, were quite clearly fake and set up by the Christian camp he was at to aid in the 'brain washing'... I know what you're saying and as an engineer and scientist I tend not to deal with highly structured debates when I reply (I try to deal in facts and real evidence which, in the case of the Bible, there ain't much) but I can see how that can be read by those of you who do, yourself and Bejus being the obvious two who spring to mind. So yeah, I think we've covered a lot of the evidence and open-mindedness which has to exist in science in support of the theory of Evolution, the Big Bang theory and everything else in past topics and I really can't be bothered to retype it all or drag it back up for one lost-cause Christian. Likewise in that other thread it was fairly well shown that there is pretty much zero evidence for anything in the Bible being even remotely likely, except for maybe the existence of a dude called Bejus (Brian?) who may have existed and inadvertently stood up for his people. It all comes bac kto FeS and winged giraffes if I remember correctly... Oh yeah, and in other news LOLZ.

Do you work for them Ali?!

But a lot of those things were in the background (so wouldn't be in focus) but the 3Dness meant that the difference between the two pictures was way too big so your eyes still see the two separate images rather than the one 3D image. Seems like they should've sorted those sorts of things before release. Although saying that, if you were at the back maybe your eyes would've been able to focus properly so it may well be a function of your position in the theatre...

Finally got round to watching this (in 3D). Effects are incredible. Can't even begin to imagine how they went about creating that. First time I've seen a 3D film and I have to say I was rather underwhelmed. Might've been because we were right down the front corner so at a funny angle to the screen but the 3D worked for the most parts but some areas were just blurry and made me start to go cross eyed! I've now got a bit of a headache and don't think I'll be bothering with 3D again. Storyline was good, didn't seem to drag on but... unobtainium? UNOBTAINIUM?! For christs sake. That just annoyed me! Overall, visually incredible, well thought out and interesting storyline. Not the best film ever for sure but still a landmark film I'd say. But unobtainium?! Come on...

I'm scared.

I'm deeply offended. Exoskeletons ftw.

I'm guessing you mean the OTN topic where I went off on one about Americans (funnily enough considering the title of this topic!) and again, you're right, I can be rather outspoken and have quite strong opinions... it's comes down to me seeing things in black and white with not much room for grey areas I think.

I thought someone would pick up on something like that. The thing is that I'm open to suggestions and have considered the possibility of a god and afterlife and whatever else but have thought about it reasonably and logically and decided that it's all rubbish. Not the underlying message of religion of course but the need for a beardy dude who can heal the sick and the existence of heaven as a place to go when you die. Basically, I've been through the open minded stage, realised there's nothing in it and am now open to suggestions but consider it incredibly unlikely so don't tend to entertain the idea for long any more. Joe on the other hand seems to have simply been brought up being told exactly what to think, these beliefs being backed up by rather questionable miraculous healings in church through prayer and incredible stories from Christian camps. He's shown over and again his lack of knowledge on the evolutionary theory and so is happy to carry on believing what he's been told to believe for years. I know what you're getting at but I honestly believe he's the one whose completely ignorant to the possibilities that are out there. I understand the basis of his beliefs and am willing consider and ultimately dismiss them whereas he has little understanding of where I'm coming from yet freely dismisses it without even considering the possibility. I know what I mean...

Not high res here but would be able to get them if needed: Photo by Chris Ratcliff Photo by Dan Campbell Photo by Dan Campbell Photo by Dan Campbell Photo by Andy Green Photo by Andy Green Photo by Andy Green Photo by Andy Green Photo by Andy Green Photo by Andy Green Photo by Andy Green Photo by Andy Green Photo by Andy Green

Not an idiot, just naive, close-minded (in your own, Christian way) and undereducated in scientific theories. Well I'm really glad one person in the World knows what's going to happen in the end because everyone else can only speculate. The Pope, Archbishop and I included...

It's very similar to knocking your head against a brick wall...

, however you want to think about it .

Your brain is a very clever thing but it's the old nature/nurture thing. Between the general personality traits you can inherit from your parents (nature- think of how you can gauge a dogs likely temperament from its parents and breeding) and the rest comes down to nurture- what you are exposed to as you grow up, the way you are treated by those around you etc. Having a 'soul' adds the spiritual element to it which is just another way of thinking about your personality and how your presence has impacted and affected those around you.

You're bloody right I haven't. Because any mass hysteria fueled sermon like that is 100% false with 'stooges' placed to make the naive followers like yourself see what they want you to see. What's more worrying is that it sounds like your entire family must be conspiring against you to make sure you're well and truly brainwashed to the way of the lord. I think the documentary you watched was some bullshit made by Christians to help in the brain washing again. If that's the extent of your knowledge of science and evolution I'm not surprised you're so confused and naive. Get a grip, man. It really, really, really doesn't. If it did, do you think anyone in the World would not believe in God? There would be no need for doctors or hospitals because everyone would be a complete believer in God and just nip down the church when they found out they had cancer. The only place these things happen are in completely over the top/cult sermons not dissimilar to what's in the video in the very first post. You need to open your eyes if you honestly believe what you think you're seeing during these 'healings'. I've seen enough footage of those 'miracles' and 'healings' to know it's absolute bullshit. I really hope you never get struck down with a serious illness because your trust in the Lord ain't gonna cut it.

That's good to know. Utter tosh of course but good to know. I quite honestly have no real response for that because it is firstly completely impossible and stupid but the fact you honestly believe it makes it really worrying... Do you not find it even slightly odd that no one else in the entire World has ever seen a miracle (whether they're true believers in God or no) yet you've personally witnessed plenty? There's something reeally wrong there.

Yeah that's 'just' a body varial...

True, true.

Special Greg's Travis Pastrana's cousin and is the one who's helped to open up Travis' mind to the possibilities. Travis has been practising those on a crosser for a few years into the foam pit but I don't think he's tried it on dirt yet... I think it's called the 'Greg's flip varial' or something along those lines. He's special. Americans are sooo retarded! Edit: Aaaand the FMX boys are doing bikeflips now too.

Apparently he just heals your family. Lucky you! We've been through this before, Joe. Life didn't just pop into existence as a fully formed cat, dog or human (as some books will have you believe). Life started in the simplest possible form and EVOLVED into what we see today. FeS. Trust. Because your previous question didn't deserve an answer?

It doesn't happen. I don't know what you think you've seen but it would appear that your family are the only people in the world (besides the crazies from the States) who are magically healed through prayer. I'm sorry but it just doesn't happen.

I've considered the possible origins of Christianity a bit more and that the ideology of the faith isn't bad per se. However, I still think there's a huge discrepancy between what it should be, and probably what it is supposed to be, and what it has been used for over the years and what it has become. I also still think that whatever you and Bejus say, the Bible (the one you find in hotel rooms, not the 60+ books) is still taken at face value by the majority of Christians and that is wrong. Basically, whatever it started out as it no longer is and in its modified state has lost touch with modern society. I wouldn't call them all blind sheep but I'll still be somewhat disappointed if I find out a young person I'm talking to is a Christian. Just yesterday I gave a student directions to a building and he had a monster crucifix round his neck over his jumper and my first thought was . Regarding miracles, I read just the other day that in America there were a load of car crashes and a street was brought to a standstill due to a streetlight which cast a shape which looked like Bejus. Hallelujah. However, if we're talking about biblical miracles well that's just a case of physics and the laws of nature. The universe is governed by such things, including the miraculous area of quantum physics, and not a supreme being with a sick sense of humour. To accept biblical miracles are possible is to accept god and that ain't gonna happen!