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Yeah man, I always feel so sorry for the poor insurance companies... cheating wastes of space that they are. The score with healthcare in the UK is that everone who works pays National Insurance (basically a tax). That then covers (in theory) the state old age pension and the whole 'National Health Service' which pays for alcoholics to get new livers, treats chain smokers for lung cancer and pays for the odd gender reallocation surgery among other things. Ok, selling it really short and that's unfair but it is a bit weird. So yes, we all pay for our health service in one way or another but when you need something done, no matter how costly, it'll be free on the NHS.

Ah fair enough .

I'd go with that. Combined with it being one ugly lump which I'd rather not have on my bike I think it would die very quickly if you ever went to bash.

One of us! One of us! One of us!

He's American, what do you expect?!

Ahahahahahahahahahahaha. F**k off was he a fine president! The guy's a complete moron! Have you seen Farenheit 9/11. Ignoring the majority of the propaganda that Michael Moore comes out with (easy to believe but we won't go there) have you seen the footage of when Bush was told about the 9/11 attacks? Or that shot of him on holiday somewhere 'Now watch this drive'. The guy was a grade A fanny. Pure and simple. He doesn't know his arse (sorry, ass) from his elbow, let alone what he was supposed to stand for. Well, besides invading the odd country, stealing their oil and making sure that any company which he or his family/friends had an interest in made a few hundred million dollars out of it. Great, upstanding man.

Precisely.

Not really bothered about an Inspired 26"- I'm quite happy with my 24"! But why not do both? Trialsy 24" AND a streety 26".

The thing with weight saving is that, as you say, if you only change one thing and save 50g it's not really worth it. However, the difference comes when you do everything you can which can turn a 10kg bike into an 8.5kg or 9kg bike which, if you think of it over the course of an entire trial competition, especially at the pointy end, can make a significant difference. The other side of it is that losing say 500g from your rear tire will transform the feeling of the bike (and 500g anywhere else on the bike will still make a considerable difference to fatigue levels through a comp) whereas not wearing a 500g hoody will make virtually no difference to your performance.

Hehe, the old school streety 24"'s are thinking of going more new school trialsy while the new school 26" trialsers want to go old school streety!

I think you watch too much X-Files!

Why would that be in anyone's interests? Except of course to try and make Bush feel a little better about his cognitive capacity which is probably comparable to a goldfish...

Ooooh... 22" rear wheel with a fat ass mod like tyre and 24" front... Too expensive and restrictive to produce I know but interesting concept nonetheless.

My guess would be Monty shoes but I'm not sure if they still make them...

I still don't get where "fascism, communism, socialism and all of that" come in to any of this... I'm not quite convinced that the government are entirely to blame for education levels though either- at the risk of being shot down the fact that an awful lot of Americans seem to be quite strong believers in Christianity and are 'God fearing' in itself means that an awful lot are also pretty gullible, too quick to accept what they're told and don't question things enough. Getting too close to discussing that silly cow pictured above so will stop there.

Me having issues with (apparently the majority of) Americans voting in a complete retard (twice) to the most powerful political seat in the world has nothing to do with any of those things except the failing of democracy when voting power is left to people who are just as retarded themselves... And don't even get me started on Sarah Palin.

Don't bet on it...

At present (I think) 24"'s aren't eligable in the 'big' comps- nationals, europeans, worlds etc but I'm already competing in the Hampshires on my Inspired so no reason why club trials would have a problem with it. However, that's missing the direction which trials seems to be going in the UK. The attendees at comps has gone down and down even though the number of riders seems to have increased overall. That basically means most people want to just have fun and ride what they want, whether that's rocks in a quarry or brick walls in town. I can definitely see there being a market for a more trialsy, mainstream 24" and if it utilised the Limey hydroformed tubing it would certainly be a pretty aesthetically pleasing frame. The bikes would most likely be completely in-betweeny bikes (that is between 20" and 26", but pretty focussed as a real trials 24"), set up to have fun on (but more in a trials way than an Inspired type bike). In betweeny setup of bars and stem, pretty lightweight, knobbly tires, standard trials gearing etc etc. to allow 'proper' trials riding to be done but with the bonus of having the flickability and fun factor of a 24". Your best bet would be to get a prototype made to roughly Kabra geo and take it from there with feedback from riders. Edit: Oh yeah, brake mounts. I think for proper trials use you'd definitely want a disc mount and I guess Magura mounts. You can easily go from 4-bolt to V-brake with adapters but it's a nightmare to go the other way from V-mounts to 4-bolt.

I thought this was just a rebadged Inspired when I first looked at it (after I let my eyes readjust for the dazzle caused by Scott's chest) but on closer inspection it has a rear disc mount... Zoot street I'm assuming? A swoopy Limey 24" trials bike would be sweet to see too though. Now, now Mike, toys inside the pram please . Seriously though, give me a shout if you want a hand picking colours and graphics. Just kidding. But not really. Edit: As for the Limey, I guess this would be a reasonable starting point for geometry of a prototype. Slightly slacker head angle than a street 24", similar BB height (maybe a touch higher?) and a longer reach/WB. Nice and light using the same hydroformed style downtube on the 20 and 26" bikes, disc mounts and probably maggy mounts too and you're away. Edit 2: Geometry of the Kabra: WB: 1060mm Chainstays: 368mm BB Height: +60mm Head Angle: 71° From another Tribalzine page.

Why not water?

Fair enough. It's a shame there isn't some sort of standard for singlepeed hubs/BB lengths/crank dimensions to help stop these sorts of problems. I guess there are just too many variables and possible combinations to account for. So, about that Limey 324...?

Cool beans- sarcasm duly noted. I'll leave it at that. With regards those who like it, I can't really speak for anyone else but I'd guess they're mainly concentrating on the frame itself which is understandable. Obviously there will always be people who like the gold forks and spokes as well. They don't have bad taste, just 'different' tastes... In fact I think there's a picture of one of them at the top of page 3... Now we're finished in here, have a look here. Regardless of what's gone before in this thread that's in no way a dig at you, just that you guys are obviously the best ones to answer such questions. Exactly. Maybe I should've started with that stuff rather than saying it looked crap but it all boils down to the same thing encapsulated in Lukes post.

Oh my god is that Dan Ko's car?!!!!!