Ok 5 years was an exaggeration. But it is nearly 4. SonyEricsson W810i Bar the touch screen, there is not a whole lot more you can do without getting additional apps. and get this, it could take videos, send picture messages, send files via bluetooth and play multiple music file formats right out of the box. And, I can use it with any phone network that I want. If you can tell me 10 things that an iphone can do out of the box (that is, without an app.), that my SE can't, I'll go out and buy one on the spot. (touch screen not included [because it's not better than having buttons anyway])