cheers guys, erm well any s&m bmx frame is dear, always have been, ive wanted one for ages but there 09/10 frames so most are in the skatepark in the sky by now, this come up brand new in the box so had to have it, also managed to get the bars and stem too so happy days, the rest i used off my eastern as its all pretty much new. only had quick bimble but it rides lush