Al_Fel

Are you for real? I'd quite like to see you say that to all the soldiers that have died in Iraq and Afghanistan etc family's.

I wasn't arguing lol. You said... So I said... and I'm still waiting.

I haven't got anything to prove and you can't prove something doesn't or didn't exist. Even the simplest of minds can work that out.

I'm not going to look for something that doesn't exist. You're obviously so sure of yourself but you have no proof whatsoever? Its like me telling to you look up a man called Zegdar who lived 3000 years ago and went round teaching the preachings of Zeg. You wont find it because it doesn't exist. You've obviously just thrown your toys out the pram because you've been proven wrong.

I'm not arguing and I'm not saying he wasn't there. I'm asking you to prove to me that he was with these "Facts" you keep going on about. Where are all these records and personal accounts? You do realise that "Jesus" is just a name? There could have been tens maybe even hundreds of people called Jesus back then. I'm asking for just one. What is your explanation about me completely blowing you out the water with your other quotes maybe it was the devil? Maybe I'm the devil? I don't really understand what "However you're arguing the only feasible, factual and provable thing which proves "Jesus" existed is retarded." means either.

Something that wasn't there can't have been destroyed. Any more "proof"?

You can say what you want however many times you want but you still aren't proving it to me. If I am wrong I'll accept it. If you're right prove me wrong. So you think its ok to ignore science and just assume everything happens because of God? If everyone did that then you wouldn't be telling us over the internet.

Feel free to show me.

I might be taking it slightly out of context here but can you find any other 2000 year old book that mentions Jesus other than the Bible? There are hundreds of books from back then yet none of them talk about this amazing person that can do Godlike acts. If you look into other much much older religions you'll also find a very similar story to the one of Jesus. Again I'm wondering why the Question "If God created us and everything has a creator then who created God?" has been side stepped once again.

Its true I have proof.

I think the "If everything has a creator then who created God" Question has been sidestepped enough now? Does the Bible tell you who created God? Or even how God became God?

Please Joe watch this video. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00h6...win_Didnt_Know/ I'm just asking you to give it a watch and let me know what doesn't add up for you. IF you can find a similar video about creationism then I'd be happy to watch that too and give you my opinion. I'm not being nasty and I'm not calling you any names. A thought has just occurred to me though I'm not sure if you'll be able to watch it with being from New Zealand. It might be a UK only thing.

I highly doubt you'll be able to get them mate. They are "Water Transfer Graphics" so its not like they have a set of stickers they can send out to you.

I can't believe I'm doing this but what if we compared God to time? God could just be a concept. I really don't believe time exists as most people think it does. Here's a thought about that experiment where they have two atomic clocks and make one fly around the world and when it gets back its slightly slower than the other one. As far as I know the faster something is travelling the more mass it has. So if you consider the fact that something with more mass needs more energy to move the same distance then this could explain why the atomic clock appeared to be slower. Does that make sense to anyone? I really do love stuff like this but I find it hard to remember and store all the scientific information.

Right so god made these snakes with tiny stumps for what reason? To test you faith maybe? People who don't want to follow science are either uneducated on the topic, are stubborn or are afraid to commit to it because they think that they will burn in hell. Give me 1 problem that religion solved. Now there is a fun topic. Can anyone give me any proof that time exists?

I think that statement is an insult to humanity. If that's how human life began then how did the alien life come into existence? It makes perfect sense that we evolved over millions of years getting more complex as time goes by. I don't understand how people who call themselves Christians can worship someone who was a Jew? How can you believe everything that's in a book that doesn't make sense?

Its pretty annoying when people delete what they have said and you never get to read it. lol

That doesn't work though when people like Ray Comfort say things like "If there is a painting there there must be a painter".

I still don't understand how people can say if we are here then something must have created us. How can you say that? If that's how you think then surely something must have created God? If not then where did God come from?

You don't understand the theory of Evolution. A dog and a cat can't breed together because their Genes are incompatible however, two dogs could breed together and have a puppy with a mutation. If this mutation give that puppy an advantage over the other puppy's (such as sharp teeth to slice through meat) then that gene will live on. This has happened over thousands of generations and millions of years. This is an example of selective breeding Humans have taken over the natural selection of evolution to bring you cows with more meat on them. Its because of advances like this that we are sat here at computers talking to people who we'd never talk to before. This did not come about through praying for a cow with more meat on it or praying for computers. More examples of man made Evolution are computers and computer programs. They started out fairly simple and through each generation the bits that work got carried on through and the bits that don't work became extinct.

So if someone had to have created all the matter that is here and everything that exists has to have been intelligently created who created god? and who created the being that created god? and so on? I'm pretty sure you're taking the piss. What makes you think there was ever nothing? If everything has to be have been created then surely God must have been created? Where did god come from? I intend on watching Expelled mainly because Ben Stein or who ever he is kept referring to "Darwinism" as people who believe life was caused by lightening striking a puddle of mud. Hence it being called the "Theory" of Evolution. Darwin didn't just open a book and take everything (well maybe not everything just what he wants to hear) as fact. Darwin took time to study what he thought might be a very logical solution to the equation of complex life forms.

This is a new debate.

I've been watching "Why do people laugh at Creationists" on You tube and I thought I'd stick a post up here for a bit of a debate. Anyway here's the link I'll kick things off with the question "Why do you believe in God?"

A butted frame is a frame built with butted tubes. Butted tubes are thick at the ends and thinner in the middle you don't notice this because its on the inside of the tube.