ok , let me set things more straight towards TRIALS riding shoes ... If you want to make good trials shoes then you will also make weak shoes. A better advice towards trials shoes are to buy shoes which isnt made to be trials shoes, like buying the BMX shoes of try-all . I have them now because i got tired of my shoes getting destroyed pretty fast, and i thought i would have less feel and control of the bike in these much stiffer shoes , but i was wrong , i ride equally good or even better (because of more protection on my feets) in these BMX try- all shoes. If you want shoes to ride trials in and you also want em to last long .. get the TRY-ALL BMX shoes .