Maybe trials forum wil have a seperate thread all together from new members chat entitled "(unts" where they can introduce themselves, post crap etc to thier little hearts content and any member spotted looking in there will be treated like a pervert for weeks. or not i think even higher bb rises will be big, or atleast untill the point where all frames look like the koxx "camel"with the cranks/bb going straight through the middle of the frame for ultra high clearance....