I posted earlier about it, if you lazy and cba to look, it involved a chain snap, and a stem to groin manuver which left me with a swelling for a month or so and it scared me and i don't trust small chains kmc kool is the way forward, unless the idea of children scares you I don't know what my bail face was, i know it was funny, everyone else was laughin there tits off and i was almost sick it hurt so bad, i think what annoyed me was they were more excited by the idea that they cuold fakie to thier hearts content because of the lack of chain