I run 18T - 16T with 165 cranks... im a really small person, with short legs I ride WAY better on short cranks... and i also save some weight The echo stickers sux, they ripped off after 2 hours of riding.... and i want to make a "look" on it, not just a clean bike Ive heard that before... the Try-All nuc stem is to short and to high for me, thats why.... I have no money for a trialtech stem yet, but i will deffo buy one... then i can tilt my bar more backwards and i also save 50-60g on it