Here are some measurements i got from tartybikes & Trials-uk: Meta stem @ trials-uk : - Size: 175mm x 35 Degree Meta stem @ tartybikes: - Size: 165mm x 35 Degree V!z forged @ trials-uk : - Size: 175mm x 35 Degree V!z forged @ tartybikes: - Size: 175mm x 40 Degree I was looking for a new stem and i saw the meta stem on tartys pages... so i compaired my v!z stem with the meta stem... The Meta was tiny bit shorter and lower.... EXACTLY what i wanted...! So i went for the meta stem..... Today i recieved it.... and when i compaired them together, the meta was exact the same angle, but a bit shorter... So... what webpages got right measurements?? this confuses me.... EDIT: Ok... it seems like danko have changed his meta measurements to 165 x 35... But then tartybikes still got some wrong measurements....