ok if you want the perfect echo brake that does not leak...read in if you insist on bleeding it with water with out any leaks......Take the insides out of the recent magura rim brake and chuck it in the echo brake...... leaky free The noticeable changes in a dengura is the cylinders alot smaller so you wont catch you feet on them good idea...but then u dont have much brake adjustment when your pads wear down witch is Gay id go for a magura