Sidehop Stuart Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 How many times a day do police move trials riders on? and what for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Probably about 4 times for riding bikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron chase Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 yes man also here in spain have problems with the police.they said we destroy the city... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidehop Stuart Posted March 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 yes man also here in spain have problems with the police.they said we destroy the city... do they arrest you? do they tell you to move on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radfax Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 pretty much every time i ride i get some form of greif from them.never been arrested, they arent that fussed about it, although a lot of them think because they are a cop they can talk to you like shit! some of them are ok and they get the same attitude back. simple really! i remember reading on here some riders got taken to court over criminal damage i think?anyone remember what it was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidehop Stuart Posted March 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 pretty much every time i ride i get some form of greif from them.never been arrested, they arent that fussed about it, although a lot of them think because they are a cop they can talk to you like shit! some of them are ok and they get the same attitude back. simple really! i remember reading on here some riders got taken to court over criminal damage i think?anyone remember what it was?ive used my bash plate on a wooden bench and the wood got chipped. Thats criminal damage but no one sees me do it. so its all good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gu trials Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 (edited) When i am behind shops on crates the mager comes out and phones the police but we have had permission and nobody believes us not good but we just move somewere else until we have been everywere. Edited March 19, 2008 by montyboy07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 if i ride in the town centre of notts, i have to be very observant, and move on quick loland the amphitheare, well, i don't ride there, no point if you only get to do one sidehop or whatever.You just have to keep your eyes open for the CPOs or PCSOs... only the PCSOs have powers, but you can only tell the difference from behind lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_addison Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Not really locally, in kendal we do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 ive used my bash plate on a wooden bench and the wood got chipped. Thats criminal damage but no one sees me do it. so its all good.No it's not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidehop Stuart Posted March 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 No it's not Oh right. I thought it was criminal damage because i damaged a public bench. Maybe I am wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plod Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Being a member of the Metropolitan Police Service myself as a P.C.S.O I feel I should highlight a few areas...I'm currently doing my training and we've just covered some of the powers we have. So this is fresh off my mind. Obviously we have the power to fine anyone riding on the pavement but we don't have to issue a ticket... It's of our own discretion to advise instead. For instance, telling you what you're doing is an offence and it's probably in your best interest to move on as it's causing a nuisance to the general public or causing criminal damage. If you're caught more than once then you'll more than likely be issued with the fine as you've already been warned. We also now have the powers (in the MET at least) to stop people on their bikes if they're riding so that might be worth thinking about instead of just trying to ride past...One of the things we was taught today was the 3 types of people, there's the submissive type who move on and just do what they're told without a word, then there's aggressive type who are more forward in their actions so are a bit heavy handed in their tactics, then there's the assertive type which is what we're trained to be. We see a problem but instead of just issuing a fine and so on we'll give you the benefit of doubt and give you a bit of a warning and advice and ask you to move on. So the chances are most the P.C.S.O's you'll come across will be quite nice and looking to build a friendly relationship where you can talk to one another in confidence if there is a problem. If you happen to come across a P.C.S.O who's a bit aggressive then it's probably because they're having a bad day and we do (believe it or not) have better things to do rather than issue fines and move you on so your best bet is just to be very apologetic and maybe strike up a conversation highlighting that you don't really have anywhere to ride and would be interested in maybe arranging a talk with someone who can help set up a set area for your riding or get funding for a trials park...If you're rude to us then you'll find we'll warn you of your behavior and that it isn't needed and if you become threatening then we do have the right to detain you... Whether you choose to go quietly is completely up to you but if given enough of a reason, then we'll be putting you on the floor until a unit arrives to whisk you away...So just be nice and apologetic as after all we are actually in the wrong when riding in urban areas. So just be nice and apologetic and maybe strike up a conversation and you could maybe strive to set up a trials park with the help of the P.C.S.O's and your local authority. At the end of the day we're there to be a deterrent to crime and gather intelligence and we'd much rather do without the paperwork so we can catch the "real criminals" who could at that very moment be breaking into your house or car...Any questions then feel free to ask.Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stig Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 One of the things we was taught today was the 4 types of behaviour , there's the submissive, Agressive, Assertive, Avoidance i know they would of taught you the relevant stuff but yeah there is four Anywho yeah we get moved on but i have never been fined, just be polite and nothing happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidehop Stuart Posted March 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Any questions then feel free to ask.ThanksYes. I've got a question. Why can you just let us enjoy what we like doing? We don't stop you when your arresting people and give you a fine for getting someone on the floor:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Yes. I've got a question. Why can you just let us enjoy what we like doing? We don't stop you when your arresting people and give you a fine for getting someone on the floor:)the reason why is because the majority of people don't ride trials, and the majority of them don't like people flying around on bikes near them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 gyser, can i just ignore them completely, not give them any details and carry on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidehop Stuart Posted March 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 The Police need to turn a blind eye really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plod Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 i know they would of taught you the relevant stuff but yeah there is four Anywho yeah we get moved on but i have never been fined, just be polite and nothing happens.The fourth isn't really an option though is it... and it'll link into what I say below...Yes. I've got a question. Why can you just let us enjoy what we like doing? We don't stop you when your arresting people and give you a fine for getting someone on the floor:)I myself being a former trials rider (well I say former but I didn't really ride much) have been moved on by the police myself before I gave up riding. The reason P.C.S.O's were first brought in was because of the terrorist act... After 9/11 we was introduced to be the eyes and ears of the police force and our main role and what we're taught is to gather intelligence. To do this we need to build a relationship with the community and in doing so hopefully we'll be gathering bits of information like a neighbour coming up to us in the street and telling us, 'I've seen Mr Bob at number 49 was loading gas cylinders into the back seat of his car late last night'. Mr Bob could have a perfectly legitimate reason for putting the cylinders in the backseat of his car but we'll then take that information and link it into a system where we can start to build up a profile and anymore information can be added and would then be flagged by the intelligence unit when it's worth checking through. It could turn out Mr Bob is planning to detonate explosives outside YOUR local school but without this information from the neighbour we wouldn't have a chance in stopping terrorists or other criminals from committing offences. So to build up a strong relationship we need to help the public. If you're outside or near their property late at night riding and causing a nuisance with you're brakes and so on then they're going to want you moving on but if we're to completely avoid their needs and just leave you be then they're not going to think very highly of us and so might think to themselves "well he hasn't helped myself or any of my neighbours by moving on the boys that ride outside my house so what use is he going to be when I want to give him some important information". I know this is dragging on but hopefully you can see the point I'm trying to make. It's all about building up relationships with the community and if you're causing them a nuisance then they're going to expect us to ask you to move on and by doing so it helps us to show the public that we actually do more than patrol but we listen to their concerns. If you feel there's nowhere else to go or there is but maybe there's drug dealers that hang around the spot designated for riding or there's poor lighting and no security, then you can let us know and we'll suggest it to our seniors that although you're doing no harm to the general public other than cause a nuisance by being noisey, you only do so because the designated area you usually ride in that is out the way and won't disturb anyone is infact blighted by drug dealers and you don't actually feel safe riding there. We might contact the council to maybe improve the lighting or work out additional patrols to cover that area just to add a presence and drive out the dealers and so on.I don't know if you'll understand all that but it makes sense to me as I type it. In conclusion: We're there to help the communities with any problems they have and by helping them they can feel safe and relay helpful information onto us that may make a big difference and prevent a major crime or terrorist attack.gyser, can i just ignore them completely, not give them any details and carry on?If they have a good enough reason then you have to provide them with your proper details. If you don't then it's only going to make you look more suspicious and they'll more than likely call a unit down to search you as they think you may have something to hide. In the long term it just saves the hassle if you "cut the crap" and help us out. We're only human at the end of the day and so if you strike up a conversation with us you'll more than likely find we're genuinely nice people and a chat would be good every now and then as we'll ask if you have any problems and if we can help in any way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NileBrown™ Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 The Police need to turn a blind eye really.Well if you look at it in another point of view, say the owner of the property, be it a private person or the council, they don't really want their property being rode on or being damaged by lads on bikes. Mainly because some people don't like it and could be scared of bikes eg the elderly. Seeing as everyones not like us, everyone has different opinions about trials riders, some see it as a form of entertainment, others see it as vandalism it depends who they are. It doesnt help when property has to be replaced when it gets damaged and gives us riders a bad name. My advise is ride somewhere where you know you will not be told to move on. Saves all hassle, if its a new spot ride there and if you get told, never ride there again. After a while you build a picture of where to ride and where to not, such as industrial estates etc rather than busy town centers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plod Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 The Police need to turn a blind eye really.We don't need to turn a blind eye at all. How would you feel if your house was burgled or your bike stolen by a criminal that has been offending constantly but because we "turned a blind eye" we couldn't gather any information that may have got a conviction against the person and they could have been locked up... The police are there for everyone as we're a public service so we're there to help you when you have a problem as well as any other person in the community we'll be there to help... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STC Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 what about the CHAVS they don't get done for anything BUT Us lot get told to move on and on.... and get told off from riding up walls.... hmm..They say there are skate parks, but they are for bladers, bmx riders, skateboarding ect... there is no TRIALS stuff Why don't they just let use do what we like to do instead of being gay and having a go at us aah well, I just climb over fence's and that and ride pallets until I get kicked off but most places let us ride there only if we put the pallets back, If we do not put them back they wont let us ride there for like a week or so Cheers,Luke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plod Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 what about the CHAVS they don't get done for anything BUT Us lot get told to move on and on.... and get told off from riding up walls.... hmm..They say there are skate parks, but they are for bladers, bmx riders, skateboarding ect... there is no TRIALS stuff Why don't they just let use do what we like to do instead of being gay and having a go at us aah well, I just climb over fence's and that and ride pallets until I get kicked off but most places let us ride there only if we put the pallets back, If we do not put them back they wont let us ride there for like a week or so Cheers,LukeIf we let you "do what you like" then whats to stop a "chav" sitting outside your house drinking and causing a noise and mess... It can't be one law for you and then it not apply to anyone else... Alot of the general public will see Trials riders as a nuisance and no better than the kids who stand around on street corners drinking alcohol and getting rowdy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STC Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 If we let you "do what you like" then whats to stop a "chav" sitting outside your house drinking and causing a noise and mess... It can't be one law for you and then it not apply to anyone else... Alot of the general public will see Trials riders as a nuisance and no better than the kids who stand around on street corners drinking alcohol and getting rowdy...CHAVS are stupid and pisseds! END OF.Chavs never get done round my area it's only the trials riders FFs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam-Griffin Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 CHAVS are stupid and pisseds! END OF.Chavs never get done round my area it's only the trials riders FFs How stereotypical....I suppose all 'Emos' want the world to end ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plod Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 CHAVS are stupid and pisseds! END OF.Chavs never get done round my area it's only the trials riders FFs Well everyones entitled to their opinion but maybe next time when you're being asked to move on remember that you could have actually got fined and maybe an anti-social behaviour order brought against you as you're causing a nuisance, but the officers have given you the chance to move on and save you and them the hassle of paperwork and taking them away from their patrols. If you have any information that you may think is useful as well like "there is a group of youths (chavs as you put it) who are drinking in the park at 8pm, why don't you go catch them?" then that officer will more than likely make a note of it and include the area in his patrols to prevent it from happening again. It's a "you scratch my back and i'll scratch yours" scenario... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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