Help chosing bike!

[williams]

Sounds perfect!

How's yours for static trials? Sorry for having so many questions but I don't want to buy something and then find out that it's not what I'm looking for at all.

[pjl1984]

Its decent mate holds well on the back wheel cant say that i go massive on drops and gaps i think 4 foot is biggest drop but it handles it well. Rolling wise ita the same very easy to handle and for me its a happy allrounder

[TriаlsRider]

I know some good Avids that will last many winters and have some incredible hold - BB7. Also bite is pretty good (not like maguras of course) and there are even not bad modulation. I liked it more than vee's and hopes race. Can't compare to trials hopes because I don't want to buy this shitty trial zones with standard hose (Tech lever + stainless hose FТW! but it's impossible to buy brand new now unfortunately). But I liked hope rather for cool and "armored" look and the fact they are pretty resistant to impacts and more reliable than many other hydraulic brakes (all the maggies and echos obscenely fast starts to leak because of it's stupid construction and bad dust/dirt resistance). Shimano brakes are not an option if you have some -5 deg and colder weather, because it may cause leakage.

Edited December 7, 2013 by TriаlsRider

[FamilyBiker]

Shimano brakes are not an option if you have some -5 deg and colder weather, because it may cause leakage.

what did you try,a m485?

i got a bicycle workshop and we had no problems with shimanos in cold weather,only the 485 and they sucked even under the best conditions haha

[TriаlsRider]

what did you try,a m485?

i got a bicycle workshop and we had no problems with shimanos in cold weather,only the 485 and they sucked even under the best conditions haha

What is the coldest temperature at winter in your city?

[FamilyBiker]

-20°,but that question isnt fair,only a fraction of all hydro brake users ever experience colder temps on their bike...

[williams]

Thanks for the tips everyone!

Not going to get bb5-bb7's. Don't want mechanic brakes on my inspired. Saints is the shit!

I will just have the avids on under the winter so I don't break the saints. Winters here can be as cold as -25 so I'd much rather let the avids suffer

[TriаlsRider]

-20°,but that question isnt fair,only a fraction of all hydro brake users ever experience colder temps on their bike...

Experience of Russian riders tells us that Saints and other shimano brakes not the best option for cold winter riding. The problem was in seals that freezes and became non-elastic that causes damage to them. The same problem was with my echo tr brakes but in temperatures closer to -25 and colder. So the fact I'm sometimes ride outdoors in cold winter forces me to be pretty picky in choosing of brakes.

Also one more good thing about my BB7 (that have HORRIBLE sound, lol. it was because of condensate) that they are pretty irrelevant to conditions they used in(wet/dry/sandy/dirty/cold/dirty half-melted snow/slop/whatever) with standard pads (or other Sintered(metallic) pads).

Edited December 7, 2013 by TriаlsRider

[williams]

Experience of Russian riders tells us that Saints and other shimano brakes not the best option for cold winter riding. The problem was in seals that freezes and became non-elastic that causes damage to them. The same problem was with my echo tr brakes but in temperatures closer to -25 and colder.

That might actually be true! My saint died after the winter and the seals started leaking in the lever. That might be a true thoery since we did have temperatures as cold as -27 a few days.

[TriаlsRider]

So lets give an opportunity to SHIMANO to produce what they are good at:

[FamilyBiker]

but even with that you´ll probably get problems with fishing at -25° lol

[williams]

So lets give an opportunity to SHIMANO to produce what they are good at:

You have obviously never owned a pair of saints

[TriаlsRider]

Yes, I wanted to buy one but when I heard about problems people having with them I changed my mind. Buy it to throw them in trashcan after few days of riding in winter? Not a smart move. If brakes costs as much - they MUST be good and reliable in all conditions. if they're not - this is a bad product, no matter how good it's breaking abilities. So for all who lives in places with cold winter shimano=shit.

Edited December 7, 2013 by TriаlsRider

[bing]

Yeah but we don't live in a real winter. Ours is obviously a crap one where shimano saints work AMAZINGLY well. This is why I owned a pair. Best brakes on the market, since gustav m's. no question

[TriаlsRider]

What about hoses? They are similar to the maguras ones and can be torn?

[williams]

Yes, I wanted to buy one but when I heard about problems people having with them I changed my mind. Buy it to throw them in trashcan after few days of riding in winter? Not a smart move. If brakes costs as much - they MUST be good and reliable in all conditions. if they're not - this is a bad product, no matter how good it's breaking abilities. So for all who lives in places with cold winter shimano=shit.

No brake is designed to be used or stand in -25 dude. And it's not the brakes fault if they break because your riding them in so cold conditions, just don't use them when it's that cold and you wont have any problems.

Why would you even want to go outside when it's that cold?

Yeah but we don't live in a real winter. Ours is obviously a crap one where shimano saints work AMAZINGLY well. This is why I owned a pair. Best brakes on the market, since gustav m's. no question

Bing knows it

[TriаlsRider]

No brake is designed to be used or stand in -25 dude.

What a lie, dude. Hopes feels good in really cold, at least they survived a week on my bike. Also what about cars? There are many car brakes in the world that works well in -25.. -30 and even -60 and more.

Why would you even want to go outside when it's that cold?

Because even -30 may be not so cold. Depends on air humidity, precipitation(snow) and wind. Because it's not only about temperature, it's about thermal conductivity of environment.

This may be pretty fun in winter outside. But, I love summer very much and hate winter, but this is our climate..

And there are a lot of Russians that rides in -20. And not so much, but there are people who rides down to -30 and even colder. I'm about biking generally(road bikes, XC, DH/FR), not only trials.

Edited December 7, 2013 by TriаlsRider

[FamilyBiker]

Also what about cars? There are many car brakes in the world that works well in -25.. -30 and even -60 and more.

thought about fluid volumes and piston diameters?the parts on our bikes are microscopic in comparison

also a floating piston cant get that cold,as it always drags a tiny bit

Edited December 7, 2013 by FamilyBiker

[williams]

What a lie, dude. Hopes feels good in really cold, at least they survived a week on my bike. Also what about cars? There are many car brakes in the world that works well in -25.. -30 and even -60 and more.

Because even -30 may be not so cold. Depends on air humidity, precipitation(snow) and wind. Because it's not only about temperature, it's about thermal conductivity of environment.

Well that's a good test!

Plus, cars brakes get a loooot warmer than our disc brakes, and FamilyBiker covers the rest

[Blake]

I remember riding euan's element, and not being able to anything very TGS at all on it.

His fourplay on the other hand (not sure which model,must of been the better one as it had hopes?) was pretty awesome for gapping and sidehopping, it had trialtech high risers which made it ride awesomely.

[Dman]

I know some good Avids that will last many winters and have some incredible hold - BB7. Also bite is pretty good (not like maguras of course) and there are even not bad modulation. I liked it more than vee's and hopes race. Can't compare to trials hopes because I don't want to buy this shitty trial zones with standard hose (Tech lever + stainless hose FТW! but it's impossible to buy brand new now unfortunately). But I liked hope rather for cool and "armored" look and the fact they are pretty resistant to impacts and more reliable than many other hydraulic brakes (all the maggies and echos obscenely fast starts to leak because of it's stupid construction and bad dust/dirt resistance). Shimano brakes are not an option if you have some -5 deg and colder weather, because it may cause leakage.

You can buy the hope brakes that come on the arcade, tech 3 levers, braided hoses with trial zone calipers, just bought a set £145 each brake and £28 each disc, got them through tartys.

[JJ Leigh]

there should be a place where you can go and test out each bike before buying, but not going insane on them, just to get the feel n stuff.

[williams]

I remember riding euan's element, and not being able to anything very TGS at all on it.

His fourplay on the other hand (not sure which model,must of been the better one as it had hopes?) was pretty awesome for gapping and sidehopping, it had trialtech high risers which made it ride awesomely.

Haven't seen that this thread has gone on haha. But the funny thing is that Euan told me that the Element was best for static trials stuff... And some friends have said the same thing.

[Blake]

Haven't seen that this thread has gone on haha. But the funny thing is that Euan told me that the Element was best for static trials stuff... And some friends have said the same thing.

bear in mind euan is shit at static stuff.

[williams]

bear in mind euan is shit at static stuff.

So who should I trust now? :$

Geometry - Wheelbase: 1025mm - Chainstay: 385mm - BB Height: +20mm - Head Angle: 73˚ - Reach: 660mm

Geometry - Wheelbase: 1020mm - Chainstay: 375mm - BB Height: +25mm - Head Angle: 73˚ - Reach: 665mm

So basically: What geo would be best for pure trial moves? Like gaps and things like that. I was quite sure that the fourplay was what I was after, but after having some chats now it seems like the element is better for what I'm after. Help me decide please!