seaine Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 Does anyone know of any coaches for the fitness and dynamic side of it. Just thinking of trying one out the get a bit fitter maybe even jump a bit higher! cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Fair warning: writing a rant about all aspects of trials and the body on my mind. All in all just do whatever you like, this is your life. I think most people here don’t have the resources (money, time, interest) to want to get an actual “coach”, from what I understand in France and Spain there are plenty of coaches mostly training the younger kids... Gilles/Giacomo have their dad, the French coach Serg... Jack Carthy has his, you can see in that one video released this year a bit of it.. a bit of what it takes to be the world champion, and it takes time, dedication and love. Most here will say just ride more, instead of spending that time in the gym... but you guys have poor weather which makes a gym more appealing. I think getting a basic strengthening platform is key to most humans- first learn how to properly walk, proper posture- proper basic mechanics... then start doing the big three lifts- squat, deadlift and bench press. Squat and deadlift are both compound entire body movements- want big biceps, they’ll get bigger with proper deadlift. Work the whole body and strengthen everything, not just one or two muscles. Now a coach comes in handy once you have a good foundation - you can take it to the next level of training, more specific to our sport... Olympic lifts, snatches, cleans, explosive lifts would be an idea...plyometrics is a word thrown around a lot... kettlebell training is what I’m currently obsessed about..it is the most explosive thing that’s natural to my body. I follow some jump specialists on instagram who coach American basketball/volleyball people- they study the approach and technique of the jump very closely... I think if one with proper knowledge of ( @Ali C Do you know someone who’s working towards becoming a physical therapist?) body mechanics could critique certain riders technique with super slow motion cameras we would have some insight into what motions could be used to strengthen the right muscles in the gym. Or “teach” the neurons to expect/perform better during riding... I think if someone can balance on a slack line and do handstands very well- they may be better at doing balance/nose related moves than someone who has never done a handstand. These basic human skills- natural movement / body awareness transfer very well towards bike trials... perhaps not in the very beginning- when you are still learning how to pivot/do basic moves, but once you have good bicycle control a strong/aware body makes a difference. Anyways.. I think just just finding other people to ride with on a routine basis will make you the best. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaine Posted December 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Jesus ! Wasn't expecting half that haha! Sweet thats at a good reference point to go off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix_HBtrials Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 If you only focus on one sport, it's harder. I have always been playing hockey and doing moto trials plus riding pure trials bike. I found that this trio helped my a lot. Both having their impact on the other two. The most important aspect was the break I was getting from moto/bike during winter and hockey during summer. That way, you're hyped for the other sport season to begin and you have high levels of motivation all year round. Maybe narrowing it down to a single sport could have helped me to reach higher level, but I enjoy the balance this gives me. Specific bike training, I guess Andy nailed it. You can have something nice, but most of the time, just having ridding buddies that push you will be the key to improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 12 hours ago, seaine said: Jesus ! Wasn't expecting half that haha! Sweet thats at a good reference point to go off! I've had a bit of a cold for 4 days so writing a lot is easy right now... I did did want to talk about the imbalances caused by riding trials only for years and years... I’ve been riding 20? Years, left foot forward- sidehop left... hundreds of hours spent riding with left foot dominance... my left calf was significantly larger than my right calf before I began strength training.. I also made a strong effort to begin riding right foot forward, and track standing with everything opposite to what I had been doing for 20 years (wheel turned to the right, right foot forward). I feel more imbalances can come from other things- we see this in beginner riders all the time... wrist pain because of improper bar/lever angle etc etc... imagine if your front brake lever angle was 1mm off ideal- you wouldn’t notice it but riding for hundreds of hours with it incorrect may have an effect on some part of your body. Also using the same levers for brakes- rear brake gets a lot of use in trials, I’m sure my rear brake hand is stronger than my front brake hand... I’ve thought of going Moro/British style brakes Doing multiple sports definitely helps you not burn out on trials, you work extra muscles/parts of the brain that don’t get used during trials... just have to make sure you don’t overtrain. Any excercise is good excercise 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, AndyT said: imbalances caused by riding trials only for years and years... I’ve been riding 20? Years, left foot forward- sidehop left... hundreds of hours spent riding with left foot dominance... my left calf was significantly larger than my right calf before I began strength training.. Similar thing here - although the opposite way around! My right leg is far more developed than my left, and this caused some pretty nasty left knee issues when I started running / hiking earlier this year. Something to bear in mind for trials riders I think, we use odd muscles in weird ways, so your comment about doing lots of different activity is a prudent one Andy, especially as you get older. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 12/19/2017 at 11:08 AM, Adam@TartyBikes said: Similar thing here - although the opposite way around! My right leg is far more developed than my left, and this caused some pretty nasty left knee issues when I started running / hiking earlier this year. Something to bear in mind for trials riders I think, we use odd muscles in weird ways, so your comment about doing lots of different activity is a prudent one Andy, especially as you get older. All of my ramblings here are from being injured as I go into my 30s... have to learn how to use this body properly!!! So I can keep riding into my old age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaine Posted December 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 minute ago, AndyT said: All of my ramblings here are from being injured as I go into my 30s... have to learn how to use this body properly!!! So I can keep riding into my old age Sleep and good food is a big help! I am 33 and broke my shoulder lately so as you do sitting around eat shit food makes you realise how important it is to stay active! it very is to get into the lazy way but hard to get out of it for me anyway haha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 19.12.2017 at 5:55 PM, AndyT said: I did did want to talk about the imbalances caused by riding trials only for years and years... I’ve been riding 20? Years, left foot forward- sidehop left... hundreds of hours spent riding with left foot dominance... my left calf was significantly larger than my right calf before I began strength training.. I also made a strong effort to begin riding right foot forward, and track standing with everything opposite to what I had been doing for 20 years (wheel turned to the right, right foot forward). I've recently been doing side planks with leg lift and noticed doing it on my left (left footed) is way easier. In fact the difference in max reps between both sides is well over 50%. Talking of imbalances it's also funny how by looking at a riders palms you can tell which is their dominant foot. Definitely on the same boat regarding learning how to use the body properly. Going out riding with no warm up, riding too long or being too careless on a bike is no longer an option. Same goes for the gym, I would usually just work out and that was it. Now without a proper warm up and stretching I get all sorts of problems. Got a sharp right knee pain since yesterday, after reading Adam's comment I'm wondering whether I've ever had any problems with my left knee... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 On 12/20/2017 at 7:49 PM, seaine said: Sleep and good food is a big help! I am 33 and broke my shoulder lately so as you do sitting around eat shit food makes you realise how important it is to stay active! it very is to get into the lazy way but hard to get out of it for me anyway haha Nutrition is key as you get older, extremely important to heal properly and actually ride well... back in my 20s I could eat total crap and feel great, also drank like a fish- get up the next day and ride for 6 hours eating candy bars and burritos. Drink like a fish that night and continue the same next day... I’m almost 36, if I get drunk now it takes me 2-3 days to feel ok again... lead me to stop drinking entirely. Getting older I realize riding bikes is a very important part of my existence and I’ll cut out anything/ spend time doing proper PT if it allows me to ride at a decent level as I age. I will say the new pogo stick bikes are so good that they make dangerous huge moves way too attainable... falling becomes a real worry for the first time, I’m in America where our health system is a joke. Have to dial it back to feel comfortable.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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