i know im a newb really as i've only been riding with you all since, err.... october? and im one of the shit riders with the pimped out bikes, but i was lucky with mine, nan died, i was sad, got some money from her, built it mega pimp so i dont have to keep upgrading and costing loooooads! i know excactly what you mean about them having no respect for things, like when we ride the hholocaust memorial, thats why i dont, cause i know ill ans up stacking on stuff and generally buggering the place up, wheras others are like "waaaaay lets bash the shite out of it" i totally agree with you mate, where did they all come from ? i wanna ride with you and the boys like, now, its been too long! much love matt