It will be just under 8.7kg once I get the bashring on, with the plate it's around 8.8kg. Mr Fish and his Dad runs graffics.co.uk, he did them for me, I made them up in photoshop and he turned it into the right format for the printing machine and got them printed up for me. Pace XC forks which have been cut down by some carbon fibre company, I didn't get it done, Craig (trialsalot), got them done and gave them to me when I bought my 07 with a rear maggy from him. Exactly the same geo as with my Echo Lites fitted, 1030wb, +62mm bb. The Butler's ones are their own design, these are designed for XC but cut down, but only cost about £200-250 whereas theirs cost an awful lot more. Yeh, 8661g with the bash plate removed, so add on 26g for the bashring I have ready to go on, and it will come to just under 8.7kg. Indeed it is, and the cranks are brilliant things. Please don't criticise the cranks from now on, not being arsey at all, but I and Craig said all we have to say in this thread. LINKAGE. I only noticed when I posted these pictures that both tyres were on the wrong way round, so I turned them round this evening.