hahahahahahahhah anyways, now i am a little more awake and with it than i was last night... i had a echo control 1065 before my ashton for around 6 months, dont get me wrong it was a great frame but to be honest i got bored with it. when i got my ashton i noticed how bored i was with the echo, it was just so restricting, couldnt bunny hop it very well etc and in my opinion it is just no where near as fun as the ashton is... my ashton measures in at 1055 and i have had aound 3 sets of forks on it (zoo's at the moment) and everytime its been 1055. but i can still tap it...it took me a while to adjust to tapping so that i didnt hit some important parts, but now i got used to tapping on it im back to where i was on the echo, did 53" the other day in southport...matt and phil were there to back me up that i did it:P, they did it aswell...woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo aha. but i can bunny hop it aswell, which is summat i deffo couldnt do on the echo... my sidehopping has improved on it aswell...apparently the wall i side hopped yesturday in bristol was 49" but you know...its numbers, could be wrong. but i could only just get 45" on the echo. and then there is the "today i feel like pounding some akrigg street" WICKED... hop on it and if your in the mood for wall rides... spins its all possible on the frame... the headangle is a bit steeper than the echo...which makes it feel longer than it is. and it also make it awesome for front wheel moves..g turns, roll backs blah blah. and i think its better for natty... thats my 50cent on the matter...no doubt you wont listen.