DONT DO INTERNET SHOPPING WITH SUPERCYCLES, always on the phone i have had ace service from supercycles all the time just use the phone to do the deal, which i do with tartybikes too, nice to have chat, any ways tartybikes deffo better for product selection and alot more knowlegable but if you want to skimp on a fiver go to supercycles, they are 1st class next day delivery whenever i order my chains, and other parts in the past. stupid topic, i dont know why im replying EDIT: hehe