Zoo python Echo lite KO bike Monsterboy Echo lite Hydroxx zoo python echo lite Monty 219 Dob KOT ms2 monsterboy Gu LE and now the Hoesel That makes it 14 bikes... But im shure i forgot someone... heeh The try-all logo facing the floor yes! i cant find a 170mm stem with lower rise.... If i find a stem with lower rise, they are always shorter... 150mm - 160mm... thats why i tilt they more than the angle of the stem... looks weird, rides awsome...