Right got a adamant a2 frame and have 170 middleburn cranks on , and if i have the calipers to far out the cranks will hit, so ive been running used pads so i can have the calipers in more to allow room for the cranks. But ive heard that the try all cranks sweep out more which allows you to run the calipers out more, just wondering if the echo forged 170 cranks are the same as the try-all's or will i have the same problem as the middleburns. Thanks