tubender Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 2.22kg is mint for a bike that looks like a tank.Hearing aid brown doesn't really do the bike any justice. I know it's only aesthetics but you can't deny it makes a slight difference when you look at it. Raw alu.....?That photo is of my personal bike. we can do any color.. including naked raw aluminum.I can not and have no interest in producing everyones bike. just some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex-Mitchinson Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 a 50cc motorcycle?Isnt that a bit of a generalisation?I was talking about a single frame, and then you go and make a comment about every 50cc motorbike, nice one.My 50 is a beast, so jog on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Your 50 is a 'beast'?Hahaha Anyway,As for the explanation to whole anti-flex idea, I see where your coming from but what about the idea of monty's shock absorbing frame? Would a super stiff frame, instead of flexing a little from a big drop it would just snap? Or I'm guessing using a simile such as an elastic band (where the elastic band represents aluminium) the more rubber you put into the band the hard it is for it to stretch and less likely muscle energy is lossed when riding, snapping is out of the question unless you can flex the rubber band (aluminium) past its elastic limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex-Mitchinson Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Your 50 is a 'beast'?Hahaha Yeh that was a bit of an exageration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Sheehan! Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 (edited) Yeh that was a bit of an exageration.However my 50....Edit: Joking lol Edited September 22, 2007 by sheehan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor the basher. Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 (edited) I think that the bike/ frame could look nice, tbf them pictures are abit .However if you where to spray the frame black/silver and put some matching silver/black parts on it i bet that people would say it looked alot nice Edited October 30, 2007 by koxx 20" 26" rider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 i think scopse he is pointing out that monty have already done this, as Ot Pi is Monty i think. i could be wrong.but thats probably why all 20" riders on montys are so smooth and bloody springy.il have to try the whole springy thing, maybe stick a 400lb over 3.5 rate spring up my arse and see The frame has been designed quite well as it very well seems some 10-18 year old kid questioning someones uni degree and what have you is not going to tickle this guys "genius" idea. hes thought it out before he has produced. a problem that lies in the trials market, a product thrown on the market with no R&D or actual "proof" testing is what you should be questioning?Wayne.PS dont ask me which product to give an example of, as iv not got one at the mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 im prettey sure that a stiff frame is going to last longer than a flexy frame, this is because:a strained material is going to fatigue. for strain to happen, the material must move/flex.so if the frame doesn't flex, then it's going to endure less strain.correct me if im wrong lads! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.McMillan Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 pretty cool looks super stiff, looks like vario, i like the tensioner notkeen on colour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 (edited) The frame has been designed quite well as it very well seems some 10-18 year old kid questioning someones uni degree and what have you is not going to tickle this guys "genius" idea. hes thought it out before he has produced. a problem that lies in the trials market, a product thrown on the market with no R&D or actual "proof" testing is what you should be questioning?Wayne.Sorry! I wasn't questioning his Uni degree or his intelligence. I was merely interested in his design an asked a few questions to why stiff frames are so much better, no harm in wanting to know abit about the physics behind it is there? Edited October 30, 2007 by Scopse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Q1 Does frank have any riders on-board (other than test pilots/trialsters) to help promote this frame? Q2 Is such a stiff alu frame more prone to snap through riding stress & fatigue? Q3 Has frank managed to strike a deal with a uk distributor/bike retailer to bring a few frames over (ie; Tartybikes)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSE Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Q1 Does frank have any riders on-board (other than test pilots/trialsters) to help promote this frame? Q2 Is such a stiff alu frame more prone to snap through riding stress & fatigue? Q3 Has frank managed to strike a deal with a uk distributor/bike retailer to bring a few frames over (ie; Tartybikes)?All of the above has been considered. As soon as the frames are truly commercially available I will post details on price.Fred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Q1 Does frank have any riders on-board (other than test pilots/trialsters) to help promote this frame? Q2 Is such a stiff alu frame more prone to snap through riding stress & fatigue? Q3 Has frank managed to strike a deal with a uk distributor/bike retailer to bring a few frames over (ie; Tartybikes)?i've tried to answer this already! have a look up a few posts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim/Trialsin USA Posted November 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Q1 Does frank have any riders on-board (other than test pilots/trialsters) to help promote this frame? Q2 Is such a stiff alu frame more prone to snap through riding stress & fatigue? Q3 Has frank managed to strike a deal with a uk distributor/bike retailer to bring a few frames over (ie; Tartybikes)?Q1. There are a couple people who have extensively tested protos, and pre production samples. If you are asking about a TEAM, no the run is going to be way too small to afford that.Q2. Accelerated fatigue/stress is a result of what kind of aluminum, not how stiff.Q3. I think my may be hearing more about this from Fred in not too long.....a couple more pics just to keep you drooling: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_skj0lsvik_ Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Holy shit those welds are just incredible! The bike looks great too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 The ideas and design's for this frame are awesome! But I really don't like the 'Vario-ness' of it. I still prefer the 'two-triangle' frames for stocks.Make it like this?: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Aha but that'd defy the whole 'Progression over lip-stick fashion' or whatever the saying was. Making a frame without the vario-ness means it won't be as stiff. Which sort of defies the principal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janson Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Looks a whole lot better in blue than it did raw/beige. Nice to see a frame with more time spent in design than time spent programming a CNC mill... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim/Trialsin USA Posted November 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 The ideas and design's for this frame are awesome! But I really don't like the 'Vario-ness' of it. I still prefer the 'two-triangle' frames for stocks.Make it like this?:Because the incredible latteral rigidity would be lost. The seat stay tubes extend to the downtube for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeymoped Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 i really like that frame ........ how much will it be??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 i really like that frame ........ how much will it be???As NSE are distributing I know the details.The frame will be called the VIRIS W-T-FFinal colour, Raspberry redOnly 25 in total will be made, each one by Frank in person entirely in the USA.Price, (remember this is a limited edition hand made item), £495.The frames are available on a pre order basis. PM me if you want more details.Ben. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 The frame will be called the VIRIS W-T-FWTF? Or FTW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeymoped Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 oh bugg3r wish i could afford one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 (edited) WTF? Or FTW?W-T-F Edited November 15, 2007 by Ben@Trialsman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Roach Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 (edited) When will these bikes be available?How much for the full build? (smae as the pictures above)Nathan Edited November 15, 2007 by Koxx_Nath.C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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