You took my post out of context you goon, all that bible/heaven hell/god shit is total wank which is quite obvious as the idea was created by us based on our inability to deal with the fact that we dont mean anything hence i dont believe in right and wrong ect... anyway, I didnt mean god as in a literal term as such described in the bible. I used the word to describe what caused the beginning of the universe which could be anything, I cant get my head round this idea of something appearing out of nothing so whatever did make/ cause that something would be god.. oh yeah and there has to be proof for someone to fully believe something, how on earth could they explain 'why' to themselves if they didnt know why they believed. I mean 'FAITH' wtf is 'FAITH' I'd say it was again an inabilty to deal with unwanted situations so its a bullshit way of comforting yourself based on pure chance that everything does turn out alright which it doesnt, thus proving god is not real in the sense of the bible .