I dont want to like be a tool, but how can you actauly tell the strengh of a frame? I mean you can say yer it doesnt dent easy, yer it doesnt flex, but it doesnt show the STRENGH, until like grant says the frame snaps? You can say yer its lasted throught ''x'' amount of people, but would a frame that has been riden by for example a low level rider like myself, be put up to the same strains as for example ali c ? So if i had a ozonys, so did ali, he posted it wasnt strong snapped, and i posted yer mines fine doesnt really show the strengh of the frame? Personaly think that the ''strengh'' question is a silly one that can't be awnsered my a mix of different abilitys/riders/age/weight and more variables.