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That frame looks completely raped...

That doesn't really follow though... Have you seen the size of Benito's forearms and lower legs?! Big bulk is obviously bad for trials, mainly due to the added mass and lack of explosive agility which goes with it. Trials uses quite a specific type of strength, I guess similar to the likes of power lifters who show a great deal of 'strength' but only for a very short time. To be honest, I'd agree with the 60/40 split of technique/strength. My technique isn't great but I bypass that with a bit of extra power meaning I can sidehop without tucking as well as most people who need to tuck to get the same height.

And you can get KMC Kool's (710's and 810's) for £6.00 each from other online retailers too...

Last time MSN died for me it was because I'd set the computer's clock to 2003 for a certain reason which I won't disclose here.

No real way of knowing without knowing what cranks, bash and BB axle length you're running.

Pah, degrees are two a penny these days. Not worth the paper they're printed on .

I'm still not gonna vote though because I like the frame's but dislike the colour schemes.

I think the 'dodge' he was referring to was taken from this: But agreed it doesn't really mean much seeing as Koxx are still happily producing the XTP/Sky frames with very similar designs.

I would do except the question doesn't make sense .

From what I've heard it ain't going to be cheap! I expect there'll be a few different 'levels' of build though.

Well the entire Kamel geo might not be 'proven', but 362 chainstays are used (I think) on the Kamel, Pr, Ti, Adamant, Gu, Czar, Hydroxx, MBK and Echo Lite's to name a few so having such short chainstay's just seems to be a bit random. I've ridden Andy Green's B-4 and it feels like you're going to loop out whenever you try and kick... I'm sure you'd get used to it but I don't think you'd ever be able to put as much power through the frame for gaps and the like compared to a frame with longer stays.

I think that's part of the problem though... those bikes wouldn't look out of place in the Argos catalogue with stabilisers on!

A bit? A bit?! Why so short chainstay's on the 20's? If you're going to rip off someone's designs at least keep their proven geometry...

I believe there'll be proper CNC'd high quality cranks in time but I've been running the forged one's for about 6 months now and haven't had any problems at all. Nice light and simple cranks.

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I think you'll find I was the first to call you out on the ufo thing. Just stop being an arse, eh?

You'd think he'd get them painted so they appeal to the public and sell better rather than appeal to his childhood memories...

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It's well thought out and well priced, can't go wrong really .

Works for me

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And I'm guessing the 'off white gusset' is actually just light reflecting off the green paint... Edit: Ok, my bad. That is kinda random.

What frame's Rick riding now?

Not really possible- the rings Onza use fit over the head tube, where the tube has been turned down to a smaller diameter to accept the steel ring. I assume they just use an interference fit, possibly heating the steel ring first to allow it to fit over the alloy tube easier. You can see it on the Ice frame: Wouldn't be easy to retrofit.