ghostrider88

I would classify it as 2004 pitbull(I think),which is what I would call oudated or oldschool frame nowdays.We talked about older frames before here,maybe you should read before you ask

Few people already told him that (ali,mark w,me...),you´re wasting your time.

Good to know,thanks for the info

I knew someone will bring these up but as you can see,they are no longer avaible

Oh I did not know there was two versions. edit:found the pic that says it´s limey 1 http://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=32519&pagenum=26

finally

I haven´t seen this frame before,but I actually like it but it doesn´t look like limey 2?maybe it´s a proto,IDK.

If that isn´t stolen bike,it was a real bargain dude,like it a lot

I don´t know if it´s wrong,in some way it might be,but in some way they are designed the best it can be for trials purposes.On the other hand,I´m sure it wouldn´t be a problem for such a big manufacturer as shimano or hope to produce 18t version of their cranks,but they don´t need to do that for those few hundreds who would buy them.

Yeah,rebranded KMC,try again smarty.

there´s no beef luke,all I was saying is,that those cranks doesn´t fit most of the trial bikes here,and I would say it´s important as this is trials forum.I´m not saying anything about hope parts or any non-trials branded parts,like I said before,all those parts you named have one thing in common,they fit on all bikes,becase they use some standard sizing(tires)/threads(pedals)/mounts(vees,disc),for cranks,there isn´t such a thing in trials oriented market and it´s sad,because a lot of mtb/dh manufacturers offer interesting parts that are better than actual trials specific parts,the only problem and I think it´s quite important is,they don´t fit.do you think I wouldn´t use slx cranks which are stiffer lighter and maybe stronger than trials specific cranks/BB combo?Of course I would,I´m not a moron,but I can´t do that and I don´t think I ever will be able to do that,because shimano doesn´t need to produde screw on version or even 18t version of those cranks for such a small market as trials is.See?I know there´s plenty of parts better designed than trial parts outside of trials world wich I use,if they fit.What´s wrong about stating the obvious?

Is there pure trials chain mr.rational?

I know it´s about the volume,but you can´t expect they sell more of those 3frames than other 17together.But lets finish this.I agree with you,that hope just as chris king produces very high quality bikeparts and those cranks could be benefical for us,if they tweak them a little.And just to let you know,I use dual Vees just because they are better than HS and disc and I can use them on my bike without any problems.Btw there isn´t trials specific rim brake that actually doesn´t have design flaws(echo) as HS is not trial specific No I wouldn´t,because those parts you mentioned fit on any bike you want if you chose the right size/lenght.Like I said above,I run dual vees,crankbrothers headset,wellgo pedals and conti tires front and rear and I used to run BB7...I wouldn´t be able to use those cranks whether I like them or not.If they change their design so they fit my bike,I will be first in the line to buy them.Is that clear now?Is it so bad that I prefer parts that fit? I don´t see the relation between my debate here and my doctor career?As far as I know,most of the patients doesn´t debate with doctor about bikeparts,but maybe I just haven´t met them yet...Saying that this debate makes me worse doc in the future is just plain stupid,just like saing that by arguing at the internet you will become worse in anything you do.Total nonsense.I´ve examined tens of patients and noone complained.Thank you.

Again http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/26_inch_frames/c14.html 20frames in category,those cranks would fit on 2 maybe 3(inspired,inspired and maybe because street) of them.That´s example how small % of frames and of course people could use those cranks and that was my point.And I believe even though inspireds are getting more and more popular,the big majority of the people here own bike that couldn´s use them.If you can,good for you,go buy them.I know we won´t see many of them here,just like we don´t see many saints here.

22t chainring would rub on the cs joke.

Agreed.

It´s not his bike.

Nah,they shouldn´t find another forum,but that doesn´t change the fact I´ve stated before,does it?Now try to actually think before you respond.Think hard.

Now that´s smart choice mate You didn´t understand for real or just trying to be funny?I thought we were talking like grown people,but maybe I was wrong...

You haven´t prove anything besides you not being very inteligent.

Try again.

Good example,Saint cranks or even slx cranks are stiffer than any of trials specific cranks,BUT YOU CAN´T USE THEM ON TRIALS SPECIFIC FRAME.and no,inspired is not what is considered to be trial specific these days,this is http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/26_inch_frames/echo_pure_2011_with_bb/c14p11476.html

Well said mr.racional thought,oh wait...

Ok Sam,I think you ride trials for pretty long time,don´t you?I´m sure you know the difference between trials bike and street trials bike,just like I do.If you compare the geos of two typical bikes like fo example skye and echo pure,there glaring difference between them.And you know why is that,I know you know that.