Al_Fel

Is that supposed to impress me? That's your CV and you think the Egyptians built giant wooded/copper discs to cut granite with rope? I'll say it again WOW!

Is that really what you think? WOW I know some people aren't particularly technically minded but that's impressive.

Interesting how rope cuts with an outwards curve...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Must have been rope then. Close the thread we have an answer!!

Where's the EVIDENCE it was cut with hemp rope? There's plenty of wood found from back then so that doesn't really work does it? Edit: Not to mention I'm not the one saying everything was cut using copper chisels. I'm saying it could be a method we know nothing about because of the large cuts, accurate work and astonishing feeds rates.

I think you are underestimating the feat. The tools that have been found aren't capable of cutting, shaping and moving some of the stone work found in Egypt. I don't see any huge saw blades, I don't see any core drills and there's no lifting equipment capable of moving some of the bigger stuff. It's a leap of faith to just assume they did it without the evidence of the tools especially when the tools found don't match up to what is being suggested. I agree there's not much evidence that it was an ancient civilisation but no one has been looking for it! Everyone is trying to make fit what is already believed. It's like finding the dead body of someone that's been shot and there's a knife covered in blood at the scene. You're just assuming they were killed with the knife.

That discussion is exactly that. A discussion of opinion no "EVIDENCE" No examples of it happening again, no experiment to replicate it and nothing other than opinion to support it. You bang on about wanting evidence but you don't seem to need it to support your own/current theories of how all this was done. Opinion and coincidence? Structures not only looking similar but sharing the exact shame traits. Menkaure Pyramid Egypt Cusco Peru Those knobs on the blocks are very unusual. You'd have to carve off a lot of material to make them. What purpose do they serve? The Menkarure pyramid is believed to have been built 2510 BC the walls in Cusco built around 1100 AD a few thousand years and pretty much opposite sides of the planet but almost the exact same feature. If that's just a coincidence to anyone then I'm amazed. Big deal about moving big rocks? Wow you really do underestimate this feat. It's not just about moving the rocks. The rocks have to be quarried first. I really don't think you are using your brain if you can look at them rocks and say they were made with basic tools over long periods of time. IF that's the case then the Inca moved and quarried thousands of "Big rocks" in just a couple of hundred years compared to the Egyptians 1000's of years during which they somehow lost this ability. I'm not saying it was Aliens but I'd have Aliens doing it above what is proposed currently by historians. You want to be Mr Sceptic but you think we know how it was all done and it just takes time and effort because the only evidence we have is the Egyptians living in this area at that period so it must have been them that built it (Same applies to the Inca). That's a closed minded view on it in my opinion.

Why is that feed rate not possible? I don't know I haven't looked at them all. The idea that it was done with a continuous motion was ignored and deemed to be impossible as you also seem to believe. You think reversing a stuck bit out could create a spiral pattern on the core? Wouldn't that suggest some kind of tool we don't know about? Which I'd class as lost ancient technology. I'm not saying you couldn't remove the core without steel but they were trying to replicate the way they think the Egyptians did it and they never had steel until much later on. Other than taking you back in time and showing you who built these structures I don't know what more evidence you need. These structures are global and share the exact same methods of construction. That's not good enough for you, 1000's of giant 10's - 1000's+ ton rocks quarried and moved hundreds of miles. That's not good enough for you. Striations in hard rocks which suggest impossible cutting rates. That's not good enough for you. 18ft+ circular saw marks in rocks. That's not good enough for you. Proof that the core's lines have been depicted to show them being horizontal by rotating the picture in published literature to disprove something that can't really be explained. That's no good enough for you. Just because you can make a dent in a piece of granite with copper and sand it doesn't mean that's how they did it. As someone posted in the other thread a piece of rope will cut though steel given enough time. It's not a feasible method of working with steel though.

40 mins in. I'm not an expert but surely if it was done with a back and forth motion you wouldn't get a continuous spiral pattern so yes the cotton does suggest that was the feed rate. It's suggesting it was done in one continuous motion hence the uninterrupted spiral groove. Nothing we have today can do that. Diamond doesn't even come close to being able to cut anything like that. There is no current logical explanation for that spiral on that core. You want to say it was done with a copper pipe and sand like in the demonstration video? Fair enough. If you actually look at the core cut outs you can see whatever made the cuts was tapered to a few mm. The copper tube they used on the video was much thicker than a few mm. They knocked the core out with steel chisel's when they had copper/bronze ones to hand. It took them a "few days" to drill about 3inches deep being generous. Whatever I show will never be enough to change your mind. You're set in your way of thinking and there's nothing I can do about that. There's a lack of evidence on both sides of this argument. The only thing we know for sure is there were cultures that lives at these sites and have been documented about. There's no hard evidence they built some of these amazing structures.

I'd suggest watching the whole video if you're into it but if not have a look at 20 mins in for a few minutes. You'll see corner stones in Peru and the same method used in Egypt. Again you see the knobs sticking out of the stones in Peru and also the same in Egypt. Now for me that's the same technique used in both cases and on virtually opposite sides of the planet. If that's not any kind of evidence for some kind of global lost technology then I really don't know what else I could say to prove to you otherwise. I feel like I'm being made out to be the bad guy here who is trying to spread lies. I'm really not, I'm trying to spread awareness of what is being kept from us.

I was just about to comment saying "You expect a continuous spiral from a backwards and forwards motion?" But obviously you've got it now. Earlier in the video he addresses the experimental core cutting video which has been shared here before. It's from about 34mins in. You'll see that they are pretty deceptive when they do it and don't give you the full story because they can't explain it.

49mins in.

So someones findings from the 1800's mean nothing? You're too quick to jump the gun here. You will in fact see that its not just an opinion but actual measurements taken. They go back and do it again with a silicone cast and have the same findings. If you weren't too high up on your high horse you might see that there is actual evidence. You're the one believing a lie because they show that the picture of this core number 7 is rotated to make it look like the spiral lines are horizontal trying to disprove the findings. Seriously watch the whole video. You're getting bored because its not what you want to hear. I'll just expect another snide comment back saying how ridiculous this all is because it doesn't fit in to what you believe. Edit: You literally posted an article about how a granite cartouche was found in the dovetails of the Osirion by someone from the early 1900's with no real proof it was actually found there. They show a picture of the general area but no close up pictures of the dovetail in position. All the evidence for that was the opinions of the people excavating the site at the time. Why can you blindly believe what they say but when I show you a video with actual scientific evidence its all just "total f**king bs"? I'd suggest you chill out on the swearing it makes you look aggressive. Maybe you just don't like to be proven wrong?

Another interesting video. This shows an example of how we the public get lied to all the time.

So again we get to the point where I'm by myself on this one but here's a video on Bob Lazars body language. The guy who made it is pretty annoying but if you can look past that it shows a well edited summary of his claims with older footage to back up what he was saying. Also if you're interested here's Bernie Sanders potentially Americas next president basically saying there's organised groups controlling America For me personally it all adds up. The lizard people are real! (so to speak).

I don't know if anyone has ever seen this before but watching it really makes me think about how intelligent ancient people were. This is what I was talking about when I mentioned astrology earlier in either this thread or the one that I deleted. This understanding of the planets and the stars was in my opinion very advanced. It amazes me that they worked it all out over time and were able to make predictions. I think a lot of people underestimate the ability and intelligence of ancient man. This is one of the reasons I get frustrated when people look at 1000 ton solid granite blocks and say it was all just man power, hard work and bashing it with another rock. My brain just can't accept that. I haven't got any answers to what they actually used to make these structures but I really can't accept the current answers. People were a lot smarter than they get credit for so I think its insulting to put everything down to religion, power of a king and not having anything better to do. Does anyone agree or am I just brainwashed into thinking there's more to the past than we know?

I watched the Joe Rogan Podcast with him on. I tried to watch the documentary on Netflix but it was so badly produced I just couldn't watch it. It's a very weird situation when you think about it. There's an area that was a secret for years but everyone knew about it. This Bob Lazar guy has stuck to his story for over 30 years and the government tried to discredit him by removing him from the list of the school he went to. That the gist of it I think anyway.

I honestly appreciate the criticism and I agree with what you are saying. I was trying to read though the article but I keep getting distracted. I've got 4 hours on the plane on Tuesday so I'll be sure to give it a full read though then. It is very interesting to me. Like you say it seems like a report on site rather than a fully official document. I still think there's more to it than is being let on and I'd suggest the people that reported and excavated this sites felt the need to be able to explain everything they found. That's all just my opinion though.

I haven't read the whole article. I'll try and do that today. I can't help but think this guy could have lied about the dovetail. I'm not saying he did but he didn't just find these dovetails by accident he went looking for them. Thanks for that Article. I'm learning a lot more about it. Can I ask did you study this subject at school or university at all?

Is there a picture of it you can show me?

Is this guy full of shit then? Would it be fair to say if this was found by a pharaoh they might claim it as their own? People can lie.

+ = Imagine if that was the talking snake in the bible? or even the talking burning bush? "According to the narrative, the bush was on fire, but was not consumed by the flames" I know I'm jumping to conclusions and this is honestly just for fun. But holy shit Plasma arc speakers are amazing! I'd like to point out that I'm not a bible basher either haha. (I kept this out of the other topic because it literally was just a connection I mean from a comment someone made on one of the megalithic videos on YouTube)

Honestly I only half listen to what he says. I'm more looking at the pictures. I can see where he's coming from with some of his claims but like you say its mostly just him going off on one and getting over excited.

Scorch marks, melting and destruction. All very curious.

Where's the scientific evidence the Egyptians built these structures? All that can be proven is they were there 5000 years ago. There's no tools been found to prove that they can do what is being claimed of the Ancient Egyptians. Are there any hieroglyphs showing it was the Egyptians that built any of these megalithic structures? None that I've seen. If you watch that video of the "Thunder Stone" you'll see how the story of it is actually quite different to the end product. Are we to believe they carved off 1100 tons of granite while it was in motion or was the story embellished a bit? (I'm pretty sure a lightening bolt didn't break that piece of rock off) Here's my circumstantial proof it was a lost ancient civilisation. These megalithic structures are global and share similar traits that would suggest shared techniques. These techniques seemed to have got lost from every culture that supposedly had them. Stories of the lost city of Atlantis and global floods exist in many of these cultures "mythology". There's evidence of a huge extraterrestrial impact about 12800 years ago which wiped out a huge amount of the population and could have potentially reset mankind. A lot of these megalithic structures are in ruin with catastrophic damage in South America (http://www.ancientpages.com/2014/05/27/enigma-ancient-upside-stairs-sacsayhuaman/) and who knows what else could have been destroyed? You say this box could have been cut with a copper/bronze saw and sand? Where's your evidence of a 4ft plus copper saw? Is there a hieroglyphic of such a large saw? Sorry for being a bit all over the place with this. There's so much I want say and show but I'm struggling to put it all together. An issue I have is reading large amounts of text. My mind wonders and nothing goes in. I'm more of a visual person and I really struggle with reading articles. That's probably why I get sucked into YouTube and believing all this crap about lost ancient technology. Videos and physical demonstrations work best on me. I don't want this to turn hostile so if any of what I've said so far sounds like I'm being an arse I'm honestly not trying to come across as one.