Not discounting the fact that we're shitting things up. because I know we are, but what about the general weather cycles? it's not supposed to be cut and paste, the same every year, (not aimed at Danny) but people think that as soon as it differs from the past few years it's the end of the world. Rich, you'll always have shit weather, pin some of it on nature, mankind hasn't f**ked it all up, yet... also why is there a huge push to keep the earth as it is? the last ice age peaked about 11,000 years ago, everything we've done over the years is a blip in the grand scheme of things, not to say we're not damaging it, but that it will have changed gradually anyway. I fully support being environmentally friendly, but don't think that by majorly altering your lifestyle that you'll be able to preserve the earth exactly as it is.