It's obvious why onza are the cheapest or have been for a long time, they miss out a distributor, with echo zoo koxx etc all have, an extra level in the triangle, so everybody getting the same % of profit means onza will be cheaper by the % lost through other distributors of other companies, if you get me . The "frames are too expensive" debate could be understood quite easily, there's so much which people discard into manufacturing costs and retail price, like: Import tax, VAT, handling charges, Shipping, price QTY, premises, phone line, cable, employees, basic TAX, god the list goes on and on and on and on.....................................you end up doubling the price of a frame, it's not just as simple as the frame cost this and that much, why is it so expensive. I'm sure most people understand anyway. Phil.