SQuiT-man

The thing that attracts me to cheese rims is purely the width- I NEED rims wider than 38mm if i want to run my tyres at a reasonably low psi, because of the type of riding that I do causes the tyres to fold and roll out of my current onza 38mm rim if I run anything under 30 p.s.i. (which I think feels horrible compared to a lower p.s.i.) For example, if I done a big 180 parrallel gap to the side, or if I mess up 180ing off something, when I land the tyres just roll and rip out of my rim unless they are rock hard, as the mod tyres are so fat! I cant find anything else that has the sufficient width I need, so a cheese rim is the only logical answer (and they dont weigh a bomb for the extra width, either). I dont intend grinding them (which they are would probably wear in no time unless you run the right type of pads e.g. coust or plaz), and I dont do stupidly big harshly landed drops, so for me they would suit fine. So dont slate them until another alternative ultra-wide rim comes out that is not made of cheese, as for SOME they are an excellent alternative.

I aggree with Bath Trials

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Disk are more powerful when used on a mod than a stock, too- bear in mind, lets say to make it simple, a disk on a mod might be half the size of the wheel- on a stock it is smaller on the wheel (the equivalent of having an equally proportioned, smaller rotor on a mod wheel). Also as has been said, spoke flex on a mod is less

Cool. I think £7 which is the nromal price I have paid seems about right. Is that the field by the skatepark?

Exactly. Also, as it is being used worldwide, they would have a LOT of cases with people's maggies freezing in the winter, which means a lot of complaints and angry customers, and possibly loss in more business/profit (which is what basically every company wants really). Using mineral oil solves this problem without being as toxic/nasty as normal brake fluid (as it is likely kids,etc will handle it at some point)

D521/ ex721's arent designed for trials either, but they are very light and strong. What elseo would you need a rim to be 47mm wide for, and possibly drilled?

Downloading now, this better be good Mr Scott! lol Will edit once Ive watched it Yeh it was a pretty amasing video as would be expected. It was frontwheel-backwheeling rails, now Im gunna wait to expect backwheeling along rails in other vids in the next few months

Downloading now, will edit once watched! Nice vid, there was lots of raily bits I thought were good :) nice 1

There is no reason for water to make your brake lock not as well, think about it. The only difference with water really would be that it is very very slightly less compressable, so your efforts on the lever are slightly more direct through to the pads hitting the rim (as it doesnt compress the fluid quite so much in doing so). If there was any problem with your brakes, it would be elsewhere..

Come on guys. none of these rims are actually that bad. As the posts above said, you compromise soe things for other things. If you want an ultra-wide rim (which I do, as I find my 38mm rim still has too much tyre roll for my liking) without it being exessively heavy, the viz/koxx/onza hog rims are good choices. They are built for TRIALS- that is, hopping/riding over objects, in which a light bike helps. You wont get excessive strength and lightness at the same time. But I would say they aren't that weak anyway- the koxx team all use theorietically slightly weaker rims anyway, seeing as the koxx rims are the same but non-eyeletted. Look at how benito ros's wheel held up on his GIGANTIC drop off at koxx days, he only bent it a bit, and viz/onza hog cheese rims are slightly stronger than those cheese rims. At the end of the day, it comes down to that saying: Light, Cheap, Strong You can only have two of the above.

Chumps. Why is this 9 pages long?

Bloxx will rip through your grind on a try all rim. It might be ok to use on grinds on other rims, but on a grinded try-all rim, the grinds will last no time. What about plaz?

I got a monty xlite/221 2004 (i think its an 04, anyway..), dont they have a booster built into the frame? Does the brake feel spongy at all? My brake was spongy so I bled it thoroughly with water lastnight and it feels really nice. If perfectly bled, your lever should go rock solid the instant it hits the rim, it should be really definitive the moment it hits the rim. Perhaps you have oil on your rims? Try cleaning them down with a degreaser, then using some cort of soap to get rid of the deposits left by the degreaser itself- you will probably find you will clean off tonnes of grime you never thought you had on your rim surface! Then when it has dried, re-apply the tar (i find it works better on a smooth rim, so apply it on that side), which if there is no oil on your rim, should lock your wheels INSTANTLY, with no modulation at all. Hope that helps, Scott

That would be awesome. Go on Mart!

Lol, that reminds me of the saddam-huissain style terrorist leader off Team America "Yes, Herro."

I didnt take the brake off, just leant the bike over to the side so the handlebar/brake lever was submerged in a container of water. easy as you like, and no way air can get in, only out of the system. It feels really nice, but I guess the thing is just to keep it out of the cold, maybe I should keep my bike in my room during winter or something! Could be a good oppertunity for some wallride practice each night before I go to sleep. lol. If it froze and the pads went out til they hit the rim, but it continued freezing (this may particularly effect it if brakes are set up close to the rim), surely it might just crack/split the hosing?

Steel dents easier than aluminium in general doesnt it? Because its so much softer, and tubing is often made a lot thinner to keep the weight down when using the heavier metal. But I do like steel bikes, and yes, for me it would be the nice feeling of the flex properties that steel gives.

Cheers Ryan, but I didnt have any of the magura kit or bleeding gear at all, this is the first time I have ever bled a maggie. Just done it with water, and I have to say, it fells absolutely great! best feeling brake I have ever felt, a massive improvement! In the end I used the search and found an old post from Biff, and used his technique, which is very very simple and gives a perfect bleed without any equipment needed other than the allen keys (obviously) and a container of water. Mmmm, water-bled maggies... *begins to dribble*

My maggie needs bleeding and I wanna do it with water this time, Ive decided for a while I wanted to try it out, but do I need anything special (e.g. tubes of any particular kind, or any equipment?)+how easy is it really for a first-timer? Cheers, Scott

Lol this is amusing and I see both sides' points. But lets get back to the topic. So if I got a cheese rim, which it looks like I may well do, do they seem to be work better with or without a grind, for modulation AND lock (i know grinding a cheese rim doesnt last long, but hey)?

Im in the same situation at the moment too, didnt really want a cheese rear rim (although I settled for one on the front as no-one else offered the same sorta front rim width), but I definately want something wider than my 38mm dx32/onza rear rim. Whats this about a Koxx XL rim??

So does anyone know what hermance and co are gapping nowadays.....?

everyone complains too much about using the search. If you dont want to bother replying, dont, but with new pads and things coming out all the time, I dont blame anyone for wanting some direct opinions from other riders about what to get in their specific situations, when they have most porbably worked hard for their money. Not having a go, just expressing my opinion- I never mind giving others my views and experiences about gear I have tried, it keeps most of the conversations on this forum going.

Hey, guys who use try-all style rims- do you find the brake is better with a grind, or smooth? I like lots of lock and a nice feeling brake, but also do a lot of manuals, etc... any reccomendations? At the moment im running rimjam blues, but fund they dont have enough lock- they were amasing when i first got them, but since bedding in they became crap, so I have to use tar, which sorta defeats the object for me.