read all of this thread, and personnaly i dont have a problem with anybody's sexuallity/oreintation i know joe fairly well and can vouch for the fact that he is not that camp, about the campest thing about joe is his shoes, that usually have a tone of pink on them somewhere. and as for joe being able to take people out, personnaly i would not like to fight him, anyway he prefers to punch walls(and in turn bust his hands) in times of fights instead express his rage in a violent manner. which is a good thing or you would not be standing after a punch from joe!