Very true, even though harder to put into action. I thought it was 'count' not cut oh well I'm not to great with expressions, also '223_leeson' abit to much use of 'txt' talk? P.s You make a VERY good point, so this guys advice is going to be very good, as he has experienced it. Cheers, Rorz. EDIT: Reading through your post again, and there isn't that much 'txt' talk at all just the occasional slip, which probably came from too much msn?