ogre Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 Been needing a new hub and was thinking about getting a zoo! freehub just wundered which would have a faster enagement and eno or a deng-style freehub? (on 18-12gearing)ta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 Per turn of the cranks the eno would have 72 engagements, so would engage every 5 degrees or rotation.Per turn of the cranks the freehub would have 48*(18/12)=72, so would also engage every 5 deg of rotation.So taking into account the gearing, they'll be exactly the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted November 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 Per turn of the cranks the eno would have 72 engagements, so would engage every 5 degrees or rotation.Per turn of the cranks the freehub would have 48*(18/12)=72, so would also engage every 5 deg of rotation.So taking into account the gearing, they'll be exactly the same. thanks looks like i'll be keeping my eno and getting the fixed one, has anyone killed one of them yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Kearns Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 Personally in my eyes freehubs performe better and everybike i have rode, forget all your statistics, the freehubs all seem to engage alot quicker and seem to ride more smoothley.Dan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pekr! Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 If you buy a eno trials freewheel, not a BMX freewheel. It will engage quicker, correct me if i'm wrong but a eno trials freewheel engages every 5 degrees, having a 36 tooth ratchet, and three sets of pawls. Where as a deng style freehub has 2 set of pawls on a 24 tooth ratchet, giving an engagement every 7.5 degrees. ThanksStefan P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 That's true, but your not thinking about the gear ratio.The rear hubs have 48 ep, then u times that buy 1.5 (which is the gear ratio) to get 72. Which is the same as the ENO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith! Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 Freehubs seem to pimp up your bike abit more, rather have a Profile than an ENO when buying 2nd hand, but yeah, I feel freehubs feel alot more solid.Mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 But in a mod you can't get a perfect chain tension, so a freehub will never feel as good as a freewheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deonn h Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 But in a mod you can't get a perfect chain tension, so a freehub will never feel as good as a freewheel. .imo i freehub feels alot better thuan a freewheel i dont know why .. it just does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 But in a mod you can't get a perfect chain tension, so a freehub will never feel as good as a freewheel.What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 (edited) What?Come on... A freewheel is on your cranks so when you rotate them, you're transferring the rotation directly to the freewheel. On a freehub, you transfer the rotation through a chain which in the case of mods will more often than not be a bit loose (if it's tight, you'll knacker the bearings).I can't feel the difference when riding but you will see it if you rotate the cranks slowly with your hand. Edited November 11, 2006 by Inur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deonn h Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Come on... A freewheel is on your cranks so when you rotate them, you're transferring the rotation directly to the freewheel. On a freehub, you transfer the rotation through a chain which in the case of mods will more often than not be a bit loose (if it's tight, you'll knacker the bearings).I can't feel the difference when riding but you will see it if you rotate the cranks slowly with your hand.Still dont understand.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgun_Donor Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Well im the opposite. After having 2 profiles, and an ENO. I much prefer the ENO, just feels more repsosive, and just much more... whats the word... smoother(for lack of being able to remember the word im after) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted November 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 if it's tight, you'll knacker the bearingsI don't get that, surely having a tight chain would be better because when you put any power through your not going to have a sudden change in tightness and pull on the hub/skrew the bearings.whereas with a looser chain you'll suddenly be putting the freehub/wheel under alot of stess. and i still don't get the freewheel/freehub being better (besides engagement distance). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakley Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Come on... A freewheel is on your cranks so when you rotate them, you're transferring the rotation directly to the freewheel. On a freehub, you transfer the rotation through a chain which in the case of mods will more often than not be a bit loose (if it's tight, you'll knacker the bearings).I can't feel the difference when riding but you will see it if you rotate the cranks slowly with your hand.woith a profile/ free hub, your moving the cranks right, firstly you will gewt movement from the slack in the chain like inur said, then you will get the engaement.with a freewheel, your moving the cranks, you get the engagment then the movement from the slack in your chain, and all this is before your wheels even turned an inch!i have probably had more free hubs and freewheels than most people in this topic, going through three kings in the past year!AND FREEHUBS ARE A MILLION TIMES BETTER, NOTHING BUT!!!joE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Whether the freewheel engages before or after, the chain always has to become tight for the drive to be transfered to the wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 i have probably had more free hubs and freewheels than most people in this topic, going through three kings in the past year!AND FREEHUBS ARE A MILLION TIMES BETTER, NOTHING BUT!!!joE!right, so, having gone through £1200 worth of freehubs in the last year - as opposed to £80 worth of eno (I think most people manage to keep them for a year - i know i have) the freehub works out better... keep telling yourself that - it might make you feel better. as for which one engages quicker - assuming the effective EPs are the same (ie 72) it won't make a shag of difference - the chain still has to chug along the same distance before you get an engagement regardless of whether the ratchet it on the front or the back AND you'll have preloaded anyway won't you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 (edited) right, so, having gone through £1200 worth of freehubs in the last year - as opposed to £80 worth of eno (I think most people manage to keep them for a year - i know i have) the freehub works out better... keep telling yourself that - it might make you feel better. as for which one engages quicker - assuming the effective EPs are the same (ie 72) it won't make a shag of difference - the chain still has to chug along the same distance before you get an engagement regardless of whether the ratchet it on the front or the back AND you'll have preloaded anyway won't you ?Ha ha, he knows it.I think people get all up tight about such silly things. Its a sodding engagement, you still have to account for the chain being slack just after either freewheel/hub designs have engaged so the difference will be (and this word doesnt really convey just how unneccesarily picky your being) negligable.And as poopipe said, if your preloading the pedals it makes shit all difference anyway, myself... i'm running a hope xc, fresh products tensioner and have enough chain slack to push the chain against my chainstay. Do i complain? Do i feck, i learn to ride better. Edited November 12, 2006 by Krisboats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith! Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 He hasn't broken them I don't think, just loads of different bikes.My King hasn't skipped once, had it over a year and haven't had any problems.Mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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