(please note this review is based on me riding 24 ,so i dont use these pads for trialsy type moves ) Pads: inspired vee pads Time used: about a week Rim used: atomlab 24" Grind: hell no Ceraminc: nope Brake used: neon vee adapter,hellfrauds vee brake ,avid sd7 lever,tesco cable What is your opinion of a working brake: lots of modulation and great hold How do they compare to previous pads you have used: better hold than heatsink reds on a smooth rim,less modulation though Review : these pads have very good bite to them,but as i don't really want bite from my brake this makes me sad but the hold on the other hand is very very good and these pads have a appealing pricetag too.i predict that these pads would be very good on a front vee setup on a trials bike,with the very good bite and hold qualities that they have im sure they would be winners . steve