we need specific ropes(e.g bailing twine isnt good enough ),harnesses,karabiners,strops,pulleys ,friction cord etc ,and thats just to climb like,and a half decent climbing kit costs £500-600 ;hence why were going to a big show were we can get discounted stuff plus its handy to see new equipment and tools that we could buy. i MIGHT be about next weekend or the one after ,i'll let you know mate.steve