i will go back and edit then. i cant edit plazzies - worked amazing straight away, used on a ronnie for about 2 months and on a BMF for a month, worked equally as well on either. rock pads - used with tar at first, was alright but then decided to grind my rim (ronnie) it was good for the first hour, then the power went and so did the bite, i used these for a week. phat pads - used on a ronnie rim for about 2 weeks, took no time to bed in at all. zoo pads - used on smooth rim on a echo 07, didnt work from the first time they were fitted. they are ok for front use. used for 2 weeks montys - used on smooth rim on a echo 07, was shit at first then got a bit better, not good enough though. ok for front use, but not that good, used for 3 days. koolstops - i used these on the front when i couldnt do much front wheel stuff, they dont work with out tar. used on a smooth reggie for about 2 weeks. magura blacks - as bad as koolstops, used on smooth reggie for 5 days.