I understand that its a culmination of things that improve the videos, and as you previously mentioned, the only real person who has come close recently is Rowan (damn i hate his skills), previously, the only people who has thought some of his shots through was TRA's HDV videos, Jonny Jones' vids, and the lot from G.E.T. I have tried, and majorly failed, however i find that without the HD element that shots do not look that great, and i certainly dont have the money to pay for a camera man. As tarty said, the major player in ALL of this is money. Unfortunately it DOES make the world go round. p.s, im with you on the stuff in your quote...i think i just didnt word my post correctly before, i just think HDV is the finishing touch to making a video 'look' good. He meant this one...click this link big man