people just didnt know about whats a good weld or not i think,sometimes its hard to see under paint
edit:yeah seen a pic of one where the integrated headset cups were welded onto the headtube instead of being one-piece to it.
the lower cup split,you could see the bearing itself
dont want to slates josh work just because of the things happening,some of his parts looked awesome,and competition is always evolution.
i am just really really surprised what comes to the surface at the moment,its weird,even i thought his frames were good,and i am a big fan of marinos parts normally