lol im determined to prove you wrong on this one wayne. i heard you say it SOOOOO many times and each im thinking hmm im sure they are different. well here. differences include rear seat stays ( not square) big cnc braking block, different headtube ( gusset off the levelboss) and different geo. xtp 1 was same as xtp 2, 1090, 380, +10. and yes im a geek lol. again mike pictures are amazing. was the snake wild?