I understand where you're coming from, Jake, but I also think it's slightly less Jon causing the problems. Jon's been a member on here for years, and nothing like this has come about. Having met and ridden with him a couple of times, I can also use the "He's sound in real life" argument, which obviously doesn't necessarily relate to how he is on the forum, but he's not one to deliberately annoy people (until Charlie came along, at least!) I understand Jon's reasons for not being particularly warm toward Charlie, and think he's fairly justified in most of the comments he makes, though as would be the case with most people, there may be one or two that stand out differently. As you say, Mr Mack DOES have useful things to say/post/ask etc, which is where there's a large difference between him and iCharlie. EVERY post of Charlie's seems deliberately knobbish (for want of a better word). His topics set out to cause friction, as do his contributions to other threads I think that Jon is a valuable member of this forum, and, frankly, I feel I can't say the same for Charlie