i use a 1090 xtp for streety stuff, like long manuals,360 gap downs, G rolls and roll back sidehops ! i can also tap,sidehop,and gap it, if i want to persue the religion of the tape measure !! it pigions like a beast too !! also dave,, iv u cant find a frame that u like,, there is a new company coming out soon, with any geo frames and dam good prices !! it will b realesed soon !! imagine that !! ANYTHING U WANT ! iolo