Yeah, i orderd the spokes from tarty and they sent them, i tried building 3 cross, which i can do, but when i looked on the reciept it said they were for two cross pattern, i was just wondering as i learnt to build 3 cross by coppying another wheel, and i was going to give it a shot with this. Ive looked on that sheldon brown website but i couldnt find much. Thanks