Tomm Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I would use it I reckon. Like John, I have two computers and I never use the DVD drive/ethernet/firewire etc on my laptop. So I reckon I would use one of these things. Expensive though, and I'm not convinced on the looks of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan. Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 makes me lol how you dont harsh him for putting this thread up but do if charlie does? hmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 (edited) Has to be said it looks pretty "scary". The size of it makes me think it could break easily, but i'm sure if I held one it would be fine. As has been said if I had 0 laptops and had the money, I'd rather a MBP, but if I was a pro journalist/photographer/designer with an iMac/MP at home and a MBP for working on, and I needed to get something to go to conferences like MacWorld with, i'd have one.As for first person to have one... I dunno, dont think anyone on here really needs that kind of portability or form factor. But to be honest my guess is someone like Carter, cos he can, or Dan Ko cos he's loaded.The batteries are pretty cheap, $129, which is okay, i mean i've had my iPod 4th gen over 3 years now and that thing still gives 6 hours charge, when it was new it only gave 8-10 so I'm pretty happy with it, I'm sure as soon as people have got their hands on them they will start to be dissected anyway, it's always the case.EDIT: Charlie isn't the most subtle of people though, plus this is Chit Chat, people get shitty in NMC because they've only got one forum and most of them are so into trials they don't care about Mac users, it's only in here where there is actually a Mac user base where a topic like this wont get criticism. Edited January 16, 2008 by JonMack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 people get shitty in NMC because they've only got one forum and most of them are so into trials they don't care about Mac users, it's only in here where there is actually a Mac user base where a topic like this wont get criticism.That, and you don't like him, right? Seriously, NMC is for all threads, so don't have a go. NMC isn't a place for full members to go to criticise and feel superior. There are far too many people just going in there to have a go at people's spelling etc. Plus I don't think that confronting Charlie on everything he does is particularly helpful. He thrives on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 (edited) That, and you don't like him, right? Seriously, NMC is for all threads, so don't have a go. NMC isn't a place for full members to go to criticise and feel superior. There are far too many people just going in there to have a go at people's spelling etc. Plus I don't think that confronting Charlie on everything he does is particularly helpful. He thrives on it.Nah I don't have a problem with him anymore, he's just annoying. I let him get on with things and it's all good. I wasn't having a go, I was just saying that's what it seemed like to me, from reading over the thread all the other new members were like THIS IS A TRIALS FORUM IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT MACS THEN GO AWAY. I actually thought the thread could have had some potential but everyone seemed to dismiss it and alas it ended up locked, I guess it's just the way that Charlie conducts himself on the forum. In all honesty I used to be the same, argumentative and arrogant, then I grew up and now I'm... a bit better. He's only 15 so sooner or later he will realise the error of his ways i'm sure.http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/forum/index....howtopic=112002 - That's the thread I'm talking about by the way, second reply was "i thought this is supposed to be a trials forum, pal these posts won't help you to become a full member again but anyway those look nice espcially the i phone (if it is the i phone)" even full members were going in with "Been out months get over it." and "This is a biking forum mate, people come here to discuss trials etc, if i wanted to know the latest apple products then i would go to the apple site." because they didn't actually realise they were new products, which in turn pissed Charlie off, which lead to him replying with things like "Go away. We are allowed to talk about things other than trials." and "Get out of my thread.". Inevitably it got closed. Edited January 16, 2008 by JonMack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan. Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 yeh i see what you mean...he does snap a bit but he does just automatically get shouted at by pretty much everyone.....not gonna mention any names, but i met charlie on the norwich christmas ride and he was sound, even gave me a box of cornettos (sp?) so that swung it for me suppose people do act different on a forum as to real life though.sorry for stealing the thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future orange 660 Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 i dont see this as a mac bumming threadits the launch of a revolutionary product, again by apple. i still think the macbook air is too low on features. is also very expensive. though people will still buy it. similar situation with the iphone i guess. just one of those need to buy things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy_gap girl Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Yes it's nice and all, yes it is for the people who LOVE power point!!!! and projectors. But from my point of view its too expensive for what it is.. your just paying for the design and the solid state and the fact it has no optical drive actually really sucks!Maybe. it's just way to ahead yet for me to like it, with all the remote disc and shiz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future orange 660 Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 its also quite weird that they are targeting the market which they have taken the piss out of Microsoft for. mac for home, pc for work argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Yes it's nice and all, yes it is for the people who LOVE power point!!!! and projectors. But from my point of view its too expensive for what it is.. your just paying for the design and the solid state and the fact it has no optical drive actually really sucks!Maybe. it's just way to ahead yet for me to like it, with all the remote disc and shiz!*cough* Keynote *cough*Well... it doesnt really suck, it's designed that way for a reason. It's not designed to be a use it for everything piss around machine, it's designed for a specific purpose. They wanted a light weight, fast, small, ultra portable computer, and they've designed it. They've stripped out everything they dont need, hence why there is no firewire, only mono speakers, etc. because it's not supposed to be a desktop replacement like a MacBook Pro, it's supposed to be for journalists. One of the points in the welcome video is the backlit keyboard for people while they're at conferences, they're not marketing it to individuals, it's aimed at professionals, the kinda people that work for engadget/wired/etc.I don't think they're targeting that market really. They say PCs are for offices. This is not an "office" computer, its for professionals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 its super thin and very exspensive. why would you want one over a mbp.... if you like toys great or if your in a wireless networked business infrastructure its fantastic. but for anything lower than hign end corporate people and maybe journalists i cant see its appeal. unless you want he newest things and just have to have it..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 It's not marketed as a MB/MBP replacement/competitor, it's supposed to be an ultra portable, "basic" laptop for journalists on the move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 just seems like its only features are its super thin and super light. so its really not that amazing as people keep making out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I don't think the appeal is as limited as you're making out. It's not going to be just journalists and executives that have them. Like I said, I think it would be ideal for me for using as a general Web/Email/MS Office laptop. It's too much money for me personally (at least at the moment), but I reckon I'd rather have one over the MBP for what I use my computer for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 (edited) just seems like its only features are its super thin and super light. so its really not that amazing as people keep making out.One of the features which impresses me the most is the optional 64GB SSD. I don't know of many other laptops which come with those, at an affordable price (and yes I do think it's affordable, I think it's very well priced for what it is)The only reason I say it's aimed towards journalists and executives as I think even people who don't do much high power stuff, like myself, need more more functionality than one usb port, mono sound and only a Mini DVI port. If say, I decided to make a video with my friends, I wouldn't be able to edit it on my brand new laptop as it doesnt have firewire ports. If I was in my university and it didn't have wireless (this sometimes happens, the system goes down), I wouldn't be able to get online as it has no ethernet port. I just don't feel that it's aimed towards people as a web/email/office laptop, as the spec of it seems very specialist (the feature that stands out to me is the SSD), the average person doesnt need a laptop that portable and small, as the standard MacBook would do them fine as a web/email/office machine. Edited January 16, 2008 by JonMack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 the average person doesnt need a laptop that portable and small, as the standard MacBook would do them fine as a web/email/office machine.No. Most people could get by with a 5 year old laptop if they wanted to. But they don't, they want nice things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Want and need are two completely different things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Exactly. That's the basis behind sales of 99% of Apple products I reckon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future orange 660 Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 until they become must haveslike the ipod is arguably need based. from a portable music perspective anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Not sure about that. There are loads of alternatives to iPods (although admittedly very few large capacity players these days) which do exactly the same thing for half the price. They're just not as nice as iPods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 (edited) I don't quite understand this apple hype. They're dreadfully expensive in relation to performance, and all they do is look good. Don't want to provoke an argument, but if I decided to buy a Mac with the same performance as my current laptop, I'd have to spend at least 2x more. Is it really two times better than a normal laptop built on the same components?Edit: to be fair, 2k for the Air is not a bad price. It's about as much as the top portable Toshiba model which as I remember doesn't have such a good spec. Talking generally. Edited January 16, 2008 by Inur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 just seems like its only features are its super thin and super light. so its really not that amazing as people keep making out.well said that man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishayton Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I don't quite understand this apple hype. They're dreadfully expensive in relation to performance, and all they do is look good. Don't want to provoke an argument, but if I decided to buy a Mac with the same performance as my current laptop, I'd have to spend at least 2x more. Is it really two times better than a normal laptop built on the same components?Edit: to be fair, 2k for the Air is not a bad price. It's about as much as the top portable Toshiba model which as I remember doesn't have such a good spec. Talking generally.Its also available with an 80gb harddrive for £1100. seems a very good price to be honest. similar small sony laptops are around the same price and you can benefit from the apple OS with the macbook.I have to say its very nice. I think Id just spec up a macbook though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nc7r Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Gonna be a bitch to service internally I tell you that. Hopefully the batteries shouldn't be that hard to replace still. As far as I'm aware, they're going to be a regular service part done at Apple shops and service centres, £49 and 24 hour turn around.Anyway, my thoughts are that it's okay. Pretty good but for a very very specific market. I think it might have been made just because they 'could'. The optional $99 USB Superdrive is pretty good. Also working with Time Capsule for data storage is a really good idea I think.They're really really thin. Actually stupidly thin. When you've got one infront of you they kinda hit home why they don't have a fast processor and the optical drive etc. Meh. I want the new f**king screens to come on sale already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Its very nice but my dad pointed out to me, no way of changing battery (if you were doing a long flight or so on). Also if your macbook air fails and you need to boot up from disc its going to be very hard. IMO very cool gadget but not so practical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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